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Hello Uwe - Greetings from Samoa.

I have closely followed your discussions from the first day to date and
want to know what the government of Mexico think of setting up an orphanage
at Chihuahua?. Also what private organizations (e.g. churches, mosques etc)
in Mexico think?. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but suggest to
grow inward first before you internationalize your needs. It is quite
unfortunate that 'human prototypes' are never in the rear view mirror of
funding agencies. See how you can generate fund internally before seeking
for the difference. I presume you don't have a figure yet on the total cost
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Good Luck, and God Bless - Asifo.

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Or perhaps to information that could aide them in >the complete composting of this material so as to reduce pathogens? Answer: The article of Kharlakian H. of Novus International Inc. addressed some of your concerns and I quote "....Silage production has the potential to eliminate many pathogens from carcasses, including Salmonella spp., Campylobacter jejuni, fecal coliform, fecal streptococci, certain strains of Newcastle disease virus, avian infectious bronchitis, pseudorabies, porcine picornavirus, gram-negative bacilli and measles (Wooley et al., 1981; Shotts et al., 1984; Murphy and Silbert, 1992; Russell et al., 1993 and Cai et al., 1994)..........." Kharlakian went further to say that ...."When poultry carcass silage was rendered under laboratory conditions, either alone or mixed with fresh unfermented poultry carcasses, it had very low microbial activity which was similar to the microbial activity of rendered poultry byproducts produced from non-fermented carcasses". You said: >The composting is incomplete because they have encountered tissue >such as fat and skin. Answer: I suggest mincing, autoclaving and centrifuging of the sheep carcass prior to composting or ensiling may suffice. The first two processes will facilitate the production of a homogenous sample and the last process will partially separate water, protein, fat and bones. At the extreme you could employ recoverable or recyclable organic solvent (e.g.. petroleum ether or chloroform+methanol) extraction technique of fat from the rest of the sheep carcass biological components. The fat after removing the organic solvent could be sold for profit to animal feed millers as lard. Please Tracey read the following articles in the references cited by Kharlakian. Cai, T., Pancorbo, O. C. Barnhart, H. M. Sander, J. E. and Merka, W. C. 1994. Chemical and microbial characteristics of poultry processing byproducts, waste, and poultry carcasses during lactic acid fermentation. J. Appl. Poultry Res. 3:49-60. Murphy, D. W., and Silbert, S. A. 1992. Preservation and nutrient recovery from poultry carcasses subjected to lactic acid bacteria fermentation. J. Appl. Poultry Res. 1:66-74. Russell, S. M., Fletcher, D. L., Pancorbo, O. C. and Merka, 1993. Effect of lactic acid fermentation on bacterial pathogens and indicator organisms in of broiler processing waste. Poultry Sci. 72:1573-1576. Shotts, E. B., Wooley, R. E., and Dickens, J. A. 1984. Antimicrobic effects of lactobacillus fermentation on edible waste materials contaminated with infected carcasses. Am. J. Vet. Res. 45:2467-2470. Wooley, R. E., Gilbert, J. P., Whitehead, W. K., Shotts, E. B., and Dobbins, C. N. 1981. Survival of viruses in fermented edible waste material. Am. J. Vet. Res. 42:87-90. Thanks, Asifo. >From: Tracey Takeuchi > >Dear Jacky and all: > >I am involved with a group that has mentioned that they are "composting" >dead sheep. I suggested concern over the incomplete decomposition and >potential for pathogens that could be spread as a result. Most use the >composted material as broadcast fertilizer to their sheep pastures. The >composting is incomplete because they have encountered tissue such >as fat and skin. > >Could you direct me to sufficient information to present them that would >uphold my concern? Or perhaps to information that could aide them in the >complete composting of this material so as to reduce pathogens? From owner-STAT-L@VM1.MCGILL.CA Tue Nov 17 10:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01094 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:33:54 +0530 Received: from VM1.MCGILL.CA by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id KAA26219; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:30:08 +0530 (GMT+0530) Message-Id: <199811170500.KAA26219@iisc.ernet.in> Received: by VM1.MCGILL.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 0738 ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:01:26 EST Received: from VM1.MCGILL.CA (NJE origin LISTSERV@MCGILL1) by VM1.MCGILL.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7596; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:01:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:01:24 -0500 Sender: "Statistics and statistical discussion list: STAT-L" Reply-To: "Statistics and statistical discussion list: STAT-L" From: Automatic digest processor Subject: STAT-L Digest - 15 Nov 1998 to 16 Nov 1998 To: Recipients of STAT-L digests Status: RO There are 3 messages totalling 170 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Oral anticoagulants dose-response prediction 2. STAT-L Digest - 4 Nov 1998 to 5 Nov 1998 3. Data Mining ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:49:51 +1000 From: Brian Stein Subject: Re: Oral anticoagulants dose-response prediction Alexandre Aguiar wrote >A researcheer wants to be to predict the response of patients to a dose >change in a drug. :snip:>The INR controls are executed at intervals ranging from 7 to 42 days >according to patient needs. The individual dose varies in a broad range >along the treatment (titrated case by case) and among individuals for the >same target INR and in the present series there are patients taking from >5mg per week to 87.5mg per week. >In a previous analysis, a Spearmann Correlation Coefficient, suggested a >weak (though significant) correlation between warfarin dose and INR. > >Now, design issues. >If I take each percentage variation of the dose (or maybe a proportion >new-dose/previous-dose) and a percentage variation (again a proportion >could be used) of the response to the new dose (remember the INR >control is performed after varying elapsed times after dose change) I can >work on more than 500 "pairs" dose-variation|INR-variation. > >How could I analyse resulting data? Is it acceptable to use a percentage >or proportion of a ratio? Suggestions of any sort are welcome. > I think I would look at trying to incorporate issues like target INR, daily dose (low, medium, high) into a regression analysis, hoping to end up with an eqaution enabling you to compute a mg increment in warfarin -- unit change in INR. It would be good to have a second data set to validate your equation, or if not, to split up your data into a training and a validation set. Brian.STEIN@imvs.sa.gov.au Human Immunology, Hanson Centre for Cancer Research IMVS, Frome Road Adelaide SA 5000 voice: +61 8 8222 3725 Australia fax: +61 8 8232 4092 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:31:10 +1000 From: Brian Stein Subject: Re: STAT-L Digest - 4 Nov 1998 to 5 Nov 1998 At 12:01 AM 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >From: Mark Myatt >Subject: Re: Comparison of survival curves-estimators > >In article <36378eaf.0@newsread1.dircon.co.uk>, Nelson Kinnersley > writes >>Question on comparison of survival curves: >> >>When wishing to summarise the survival distribution for a treatment group >>having calculated product-limit (Kaplan-Meier) estimates of the survival >>curve, one can quote the median (or any other percentile) with an associated >>(95%) confidence interval - this can be provided relatively easily within >>SAS. Furthermore, when one wishes to compare treatment groups, a hypothesis >>test may be employed such as log-rank or Generalised Wilcoxon to compare >>distributions, however, I'm looking for guidance on what is a suitable >>estimator to quote to give the reader an idea of "how far apart the curves >>are". >> > >Show the curves. > > >-- >Mark Myatt > I agree completely. As an aside this is my wish list for (biological) survival data 1. curves plotted together with comparison statistic 2. confidence interval plotted at a sensible time period 3. indication of median followup 4. indication of number remaining at risk at bottom of graph 0.02 worth Brian.STEIN@imvs.sa.gov.au Human Immunology, Hanson Centre for Cancer Research IMVS, Frome Road Adelaide SA 5000 voice: +61 8 8222 3725 Australia fax: +61 8 8232 4092 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:15:39 -0500 From: "Barron, Alfred [PRI]" Subject: Data Mining > NJ CHAPTER, AMERICAN STATISTICAL ASSOCIATION > STATISTICAL SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT > > Title: Data Mining for Dummies > Speaker: Daryl Pregibon, AT&T Labs > Date: November 18 > Time: 4:00 PM to 5:30 PM > Location: Merck & Co., > One Merck Drive > Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889 > [908] 423-1000 > > This program is free of charge and open to the statistical > community and those interested in data mining. Refresh- > ments will be available from 3:30pm - 4:00pm, compli- > ments of Merck Research Labs (thanks, Tom Capizzi). > > If you wish to attend, you MUST register in advance. > To do so please respond to either Jim Colaianne at > jcolaian@prius.jnj.com ( 908-218-7297) or > Matilde Sanchez at matilde_sanchez@merck.com > (732-594-5953). > > DETAILED DIRECTIONS: > > Via Route 22 (East and West) > Take the exit for Route 523 North in Whitehouse Station; > there is an Exxon Station on the westbound side at the > traffic light. Continue on Route 523 for approximately > 1 mile. Entrance to Merck is on the right side where > the road widens; access the site via overpass. > > Via New Jersey Turnpike (from the North): > Take Exit 14 (Route 78/Newark Airport) to Route 78 W. > Continue to Exit 24 (Oldwick/Whitehouse). Make a left > turn at the bottom of the ramp onto Route 523 South. > The entrance to Merck is on the right side. > > Via New Jersey Turnpike (from the South): Exit 10 > (Metuchen/Edison) to Route 287 North. Continue to > Route 22 West (exit is on the left). Follow the same > route as above via Route 22. > > Via I-95: Take I-95 North to Route 206 North to > Route 22 West. Follow the same route as above via > Route 22 OR Take Interstate 95 to Route 31 North. > Continue on Route 31. Route 31 will run along with > Route 202 North for a period of time. At the traffic > circle in Flemington, NJ, follow the circle 3/4 of the > way around to continue on Route 31. Take Route 31 > North to Route 523 North. (Hunterdon Central HS here) > Follow Route 523 North to where it crosses Route 22. > (Exxon Station will be at the next light). Continue on > Route 523 North. About one mile up, Merck on right. > > From Points Northwest: > > Take Route 78 East to Exit 24 (Oldwick/Whitehouse). > Make a right turn at the bottom of the ramp onto > Route 523 South. The entrance to Merck is on the > right side. > > From the south via the Garden State Parkway: Take > the Garden State Parkway North to Route 287 North. > Take Route 287 to Route 78 West. Take Route 78 to > Exit 24 (Oldwick/Whitehouse). Make a left turn at the > bottom of the ramp onto Route 523 South. The entrance > to Merck is on right. > > From the north via the Garden State Parkway: Take the > Garden State Parkway South to Route 78 West. Take > Route 78 to Exit 24 (Oldwick/Whitehouse). Make a left > turn at the bottom of the ramp onto Route 523 South. > The entrance to Merck is on the right side where the > road widens. > > > ------------------------------ End of STAT-L Digest - 15 Nov 1998 to 16 Nov 1998 ************************************************* From owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Tue Nov 17 10:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01126; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:43 +0530 Received: from helios.ulpgc.es by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id GAA18708; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:52:50 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07678 for fish-ecology-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:36:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: helios.ulpgc.es: majordom set sender to owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es using -f Received: from picea.cnr.colostate.edu (picea.CNR.ColoState.EDU [129.82.105.2]) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07673 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:36:00 GMT Received: from lfl-099.cnr.colostate.edu (w33fl6 [129.82.184.99]) by picea.cnr.colostate.edu (8.8.4/8.7) with SMTP id QAA06360 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981116164947.011d9fa8@picea.cnr.colostate.edu> X-Sender: desnyder@picea.cnr.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:49:47 -0700 To: FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es From: "Darrel E. Snyder" Subject: 23rd Annual Larval Fish Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Darrel E. Snyder" Status: RO Fish Early Life History Biologists: Time to start thinking about the next annual Larval Fish Conference (Early Life History Section of the American Fisheries Society. This one will finally be held in the early spring rather late spring/early summer to help avoid conflicts with the field season for many members. It will be held April 6-11, 1999, at NMFS facilities in Beaufort, North Carolina (Technical sessions on April 7-10). Abstracts are due February 1, 1999 and the organizers are still open to symposium/topical session ideas--contact Dr. Jon Hare (). Student travel grants will be available--interested students should pursue such as soon as possible. See the AFS-ELHS web page for details (<http://www.eos.ubc.ca/afs_early/index.htmlergy-list-archive/>). 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A Spanish version is also available from BIONET (bionet@igc.org) or the author (David Downes). (The full text is included below after the following brief abstract.) Intellectual property rights (IPRs) are a serious concern for many people concerned about biodiversity. For instance, there are fears that the expansion of IPRs contributes to expansion of monocultures, loss of crop genetic variety, and the marginalization of traditional farmers. In the coming two years, the World Trade Organization will be making important decisions about IPRs. Below is a paper prepared by CIEL on the relationship between WTO discussions on IPR and sustainable development and the environment. The focus is on the 1999 review of life patenting. CIEL hopes that it will be useful for NGOs seeking to raise public interest concerns regarding the WTO's activities relating to IPR. We would be grateful for comments and suggestions. We feel that IPRs pose several major concerns for the public interest. These are not limited to environmental and ethical concerns, such as the morality of life patenting, and impacts on biodiversity and traditional knowledge. They also include the growing inequality of access to information (information haves and have nots) and possible anticompetitive effects in markets. Our paper outlines these and other concerns. It also identifies the decision points coming up in the WTO, such as the 1999 life patenting review, the 2000 TRIPS review, and the agenda setting for the millenial round. <> CIEL Center for International Environmental Law U.S. Office: 1367 Connecticut Ave., NW, Ste. 300, Washington, DC 20036 · Tel: +1 (202) 785-8700 · Fax: +1 (202) 785-8701 Geneva Office: B.P. 21 (160a Route de Florissant), CH-1231 Conches, Geneva, Switzerland · Tel/Fax: +41 (22) 789-0738 Writer's Direct E-Mail: ddownes@igc.apc.org Organizational E-Mail: cielus@igc.apc.org Web: http://www.econet.apc.org/ciel/esnyder/lfl97.htmhtm-archive/ The 1999 WTO Review of Life Patenting Under TRIPS Revised Discussion Paper -- November 1998 The 21st century is heralded as the "information age." If we are indeed becoming a society in which information is the most valuable resource, then an overriding question will be, who controls the information? Who are the information haves and the have-nots? Intellectual property law, which defines ownership rights over information, is one of the main ways our society resolves these questions. Historically, intellectual property rights such as patents and copyrights have been extended to inventors and creators as a reward for innovation, and as an incentive to disclose information to the public and promote innovation by others. Intellectual property in some form is almost universally recognized as an essential policy tool in market economies. The benefits to society of the legal right are, however, carefully balanced against the cost to society of granting it. This balancing must take into account that the right is a time-limited exclusive right to control commercial use and sale of a valuable product -- a right which allows the holder to raise price and to reduce supply of the patented product to consumers. Patents on inventions that are particularly improved or innovative may confer market dominance or even a monopoly to the owner. Thus, the scope of these exclusive rights - in terms of time, technology covered, activities covered and geographical application - must be carefully defined to maximize benefits to society through a balancing of interests in stimulating innovation, avoiding excessive market dominance, and maximizing the free availability and exchange of information needed for a creative, innovative, and equitable society. Today, the balance seems to be shifting. Intellectual property laws are defined through closed, secretive international negotiations dominated by industry - and are then brought to national legislatures as faits accomplis, without democratic deliberation. Combined with the technical, arcane nature of the intellectual property legal specialty, this has helped corporate interests to avoid public scrutiny and expand their control over developments in applications such as electronic information, biotechnology or pharmaceuticals. Industrial country governments promote corporate interests in expanded intellectual property rights in the name of maximizing national competitiveness in a global marketplace. The resulting boon to private investors - embodied in international treaties such as the trade agreements administered by the World Trade Organization - has been called an "information land grab" (Boyle 1996). This paper outlines public interest concerns that citizens' groups need to air at the WTO, where many of the decisions are now being made about the contours of this "land grab." The WTO needs to open up to public scrutiny and input in the context of three upcoming intellectual property debates. The first is the 1999 review of whether to require WTO members to recognize patents on life forms. The second is the review in 2000 of all WTO rules on intellectual property. The third is the possible inclusion of intellectual property on the agenda for upcoming trade negotiations. Governments need to respond to public input on the following needs: 1. The need to address environmental and indigenous goals and issues; 2. The need to avoid overly broad biotechnology patents; 3. The need to ensure that intellectual property does not reduce market competition; 4. The need for the WTO to promote development equitably in North and South; 5. The need for countries to manage investment in biotechnology; 6. The need to minimize the impact of unilateral pressure between trading partners; 7. The need to address environmental and ethical concerns about intellectual property. The 1999 "TRIPS Review" of Life Patenting At the WTO, the next step in this expansion of ownership over information may be the extension of WTO rules to require governments to recognize patents over life itself. Should living organisms or parts of organisms such as genes be considered "inventions" that can be patented under intellectual property law? Many citizens' groups in both the developed and developing world are concerned about the economic, social, environmental and ethical impacts of life patenting. Moreover, many developing country governments are concerned that the control of the nature and distribution of new life forms by multinational corporations may affect their development prospects and food security. Life patenting raises concerns about consumer rights, biodiversity conservation, environmental protection, sustainability of agriculture, indigenous rights, scientific and academic freedom, and, ultimately, the economic development of many developing countries dependent on new technologies. The question of life patenting will come up in 1999 under the WTO Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property (TRIPS). Negotiated in the Uruguay Round of trade talks, the TRIPS Agreement is the most important international law on intellectual property. It sets minimum standards for national protection of intellectual property rights and procedures and remedies for their enforcement. Its enforcement measures -- including the potential for trade sanctions against non-complying WTO members -- are unprecedented in the field of international intellectual property. The TRIPs Agreement requires countries to recognize patents on most products and processes, including pharmaceuticals, modified microorganisms, and "microbiological processes" (Article 27.3(b)). Currently, however, it does not require countries to recognize patents on plants or animals, or "essentially biological [but not microbiological] processes for the production of plants or animals" (ibid.). Under Article 27.3(b) of the TRIPS Agreement, each country has the discretion whether to recognize these patents. Countries may protect plant varieties either through patents or an "effective sui generis system" or both. This exception exists because many other countries rejected the US demand for patenting of plants and animals, on economic, legal or ethical grounds. In 1999, the TRIPs Council of the WTO will review Article 27.3(b) of the TRIPs Agreement. It can be expected that the United States will seek to remove this discretion and to require countries to recognize patents on plants and animals. Other industrialized countries may side with the US, especially since the European Union recently decided to extend patents to cover life forms (EU 1998). A number of developing countries, on the other hand, are likely to oppose the removal of the exception. Why the WTO Should Maintain the Life Patenting Exception WTO Members should resist the proposed extension of TRIPS to life patenting. They should work through the WTO TRIPs Council to maintain the discretion about plant and animal patenting that the current language of Article 27.3(b) allows, as well as the right to develop sui generis systems for plant variety protection. They should also consider expanding the exception to cover microorganisms. Maintaining this discretion is essential for a number of reasons: 1. Maintaining Flexibility to Address Indigenous and Biodiversity Goals. First, it gives countries the space they need to experiment with various approaches to implementing Article 8(j) of the Convention on Biological Diversity, which requires protection of the traditional knowledge, innovations and practices of local and indigenous communities. Given the complexity of the issues, countries badly need to develop experience resolving them through pilot projects and programs, and this will require a phase of experimentation. Requiring all countries to uniformly recognize life patenting, and requiring uniform systems of plant variety protection, would hinder countries from gaining the experience needed to implement Article 8(j) effectively. 2. Avoiding Trends Toward Overly Broad Biotechnology Patents. The scope of biotechnology patents in countries such as the United States (that are furthest along the road of patent expansion) is frequently too broad, which could actually stifle, rather than stimulate, productive innovation with consequent effects on international competitiveness and consumer health and welfare. There is significant concern about over-broad patent claims in the US itself (e.g. Eisenberg 1992, 1994). Even US industry groups have opposed some of the furthest extensions of rights sought in recent patent applications (Eisenberg 1992.) This suggests that the rest of the world is better off taking a "wait-and-see" approach" in which they can learn from the US experience, rather than rushing into a decision whose benefits are unproven. 3. Maintaining Competitive Markets. The competitive impacts of intellectual property rights counsel against expanding international obligations to protect them at this time. The combination of expanded international intellectual property protection with shifts in market dominance in the global economy raises significant concerns about market competitiveness (Anderson 1998). The over-broad patent claims in biotechnology, with continued blurring of the lines between invention and discovery, intensify the risk of anti-competitive impacts. On the other hand, some argue that intellectual property rights in the hands of small firms or newcomers to a market may sometimes serve as a tool to enhance competition. In any case, there is currently a policy imbalance within the WTO. The WTO provides powerful protection of intellectual property through the TRIPS Agreement. While the TRIPS Agreement permits Members to take "appropriate measures" to prevent the abuse of intellectual property rights or practices that unreasonably restrain trade, there is no international set of competition disciplines to guard against market abuses, in large part because of US opposition. No further expansion of intellectual property should take place without a thorough examination of the competitive impacts and the possible need for competition disciplines to manage them. The first step should be for the TRIPS Council to evaluate these impacts as part of the overall review of the agreement in the year 2000. In addition, the TRIPS Council may need to define the types of measures needed to control anti-competitive abuses. More generally, the WTO needs to develop rules for ensuring the competitiveness of global markets. It should certainly not expand intellectual property requirements until a counterbalancing effort on competition is underway. 4. Preventing Greater Disparities Between North and South. The proposed extension of TRIPS to life patenting would further unbalance the Uruguay Round bargain in favor of industrialized countries and against developing countries. The protection afforded by the TRIPS agreement expands exclusive intellectual property protection in time (from 17 years in the US to 20 years under TRIPS); in scope (the TRIPS Agreement covers "any invention" -- broader than most preexisting national systems); and in geographical application (to all WTO Member countries). The increase in prices that will result from recognition of patents on products such as pharmaceuticals will reduce the access of poor people in the developing world to them, with resulting declines in health quality and life expectancy, at least in the near term. As intellectual property rights are predominantly owned and controlled by corporations in industrialized countries, the protection of these rights worldwide entails a significant transfer of revenues from developing to industrialized countries. The concessions offered to developing countries in the Uruguay Round to offset this transfer - including reduction in agricultural subsidies, better market access and special and differentiated treatment - have not yet been honored by industrialized countries. Until they are, the WTO should not add to its requirements for intellectual property protection. 5. Managing Investment in Biotechnology. Countries may also wish to avoid expansion of intellectual property rights in order to limit the flow of private investment into biotechnology, until they have a proper regulatory framework in place to control its environmental impacts. In countries where internal development of biotechnology products is a possibility, this would be one way of implementing the Biodiversity Convention's precautionary approach and its requirement that its Parties protect against environmental impacts of genetically modified organisms and maintain economic incentives for conservation. If investment flowed too quickly into this industry, there would be a vested interest against regulation and in favor of externalizing environmental costs so that society as a whole, rather than the producers of biotechnology, takes on the risks. By definition, intellectual property rights are designed to encourage private sector investment in technological development. Hence, avoiding the extension of intellectual property to modified organisms remains a reasonable policy choice for countries until an effective biosafety protocol is negotiated and enters into force, and effective national regulations and institutions are in place. Of course, this policy would supplement rather than replace environmental regulation of biotechnology products themselves. 6. Counterbalancing Unilateralism on Intellectual Property. Finally, the WTO should not raise TRIPs standards while major trading nations are still applying unilateral pressure to force trading partners not only to meet TRIPs standards but to go beyond them. This is another serious problem that disturbs the balance of tradeoffs which persuaded developing countries to sign the Uruguay Round agreements. For instance, the US has threatened Argentina with trade sanctions on the ground that Argentina's protection of intellectual property rights is not strong enough. Yet some US demands seemed to seek stronger protection than TRIPs requires. For instance, the US complained that Argentina's new patent law delayed extension of patents to pharmaceuticals until 2000, although developing countries do not have to phase in patent protection of new product types under TRIPs until a total of 10 years after TRIPs entered into force, well after the year 2000. 7. Addressing Environmental and Ethical Concerns. Life patenting raises significant environmental (UNEP 1996) and ethical issues for many people in many countries. There are concerns that patents on crop varieties, for instance, augment the incentives in favor of monocultures and the use of expensive inputs such as fertilizer associated with many improved crop varieties; this in turn causes environmental harm. In addition, many people in many societies feel that the structures of genes, animals or plants -- the structure of life itself -- should be kept free from commodification and market transactions, as an ethical matter. The private ownership and marketing of these fundamental structures of life violates religious and moral principles in a number of cultures. The WTO should not adopt a blanket rule when so many perspectives and concerns are yet to be considered. Why the WTO -- as Part of Civil Society -- Should Examine Broader Concerns About Intellectual Property The reasons discussed above for maintaining the exception to life patenting raise broader concerns about intellectual property. Thus, they argue for a broader discussion within the WTO about the social, environmental, economic and political implications. Yet this discussion cannot be left to the WTO alone, or to intellectual property specialists. As Lester Thurow wrote recently in the Harvard Business Review (1997), "[i]t is clear that the invention of a new gene for making human beings different or better cannot be handled in the same way as the invention of a new gearbox." Decisions about the evolution of intellectual property cannot be left for technical analysis by specialists or closed international organizations. They must be debated by a full range of institutions and experts, and a full range of representatives from different groups within civil society. "[D]ifferent cultures and different parts of the world look at intellectual property rights quite differently . . . . There are real differences in beliefs about what should be freely available in the public domain and what should be for sale in the private marketplace" (Ibid.). Thus, the debate must seek to engage and respond to the different values and interests involved. In the WTO and elsewhere, we are seeing the beginning of "a scramble among the powerful to grab valuable pieces of intellectual property, just as the powerful grabbed the common lands of England" in advance of the Industrial Revolution (Thurow 1997). This is not a formula for a just and prosperous "information society." Instead, we need a "socially managed enclosure movement for intellectual property rights" (ibid.), in which society as a whole defines the legal rights and duties that will govern the most important resources and exchanges of the future. As steps toward such a movement, we recommend the following: o A full and public discussion within the TRIPS Council and the 1999 WTO Ministerial Conference of the public interest questions raised by intellectual property. o A commitment by WTO Members to discuss fully and openly the public interest concerns involved in intellectual property, and to carry out a thorough review of the TRIPS Agreement in 2000, before starting negotiations on additional intellectual property requirements. o A commitment in the WTO to address related issues alongside intellectual property policy, such as laws and policies needed to maintain healthy competition and limit anticompetitive impacts of intellectual property in the global market place. o Involvement of other relevant institutions, such as UNESCO, the World Health Organization, and the World Intellectual Property Organization, and full participation by citizens' groups. For more information, contact David Downes in CIEL's Washington office, or Matthew Stilwell in CIEL's Geneva office. Sources Parts of this paper are adapted from: David Downes. 1997. Using Intellectual Property as a Tool to Protect Traditional Knowledge: CIEL Discussion Paper. Washington, D.C.: Center for International Environmental Law. Anderson, Robert D. In press. "The Interface between Competition Policy and Intellectual Property in the Context of the International Trading System." Journal of International Economic Law 1(4): _____. Boyle, James. 1996b. "Sold Out." New York Times, Mar. 31, 1996. Web: <http://www.wcl.american.edu/pub/faculty/boyle/sold_out.htme/> Eisenberg, Rebecca S. 1992. "Genes, Patents, and Product Development." Science 257:903-908. Eisenberg, Rebecca S. 1994. "Technology Transfer and the Genome Project: Problems with Patenting Research Tools. Risk: Health, Safety & Environment 5:163-175. (EU) European Union. 1998. European Parliament and Council Directive 98/44/EC of 6 July 1998 on the legal protection of biotechnological inventions. Available through search function on EU web site, <http://europa.eu.intcan.edu/pub/faculty/boyle/sold_out.htme/>. Thurow, Lester C. 1997. "Needed: A New System of Intellectual Property Rights." Harvard Business Review September-October 1997. (UNEP) United Nations Environment Programme. 1996. Convention on Biological Diversity. Conference of the Parties. The Impact of Intellectual Property Rights Systems on the Conservation and Sustainable Use of Biological Diversity and on the Equitable Sharing of Benefits >From Its Use: A preliminary study: note by the Executive Secretary. [Montreal]: UNEP. UN Doc. No. UNEP/CBD/COP/3/22. Web: <http://www.biodiv.organ.edu/pub/faculty/boyle/sold_out.htme/>. November 7, 1998 From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 10:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01146; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:38:12 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id HAA18958; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:12:51 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 54870 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67291-23523>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:43:20 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA15660; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA20208; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sangam.ncst.ernet.in (sangam.ncst.ernet.in [202.41.110.33]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20174 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by sangam.ncst.ernet.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25438 for nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:31:46 +0530 (GMT+05:30) >Received: from debi.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ilbom.ernet.in (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id GAA09183 for nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:40:33 +0530 Received: from debi.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ilbom.ernet.in (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id GAA09183 for nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:40:33 +0530 Received: from admin@debi by debi (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.26 93.04.04) id 0806 for nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:34:02 IST +5.30 Message-Id: <199811170110.GAA09183@ilbom.ernet.in> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:34:01 Reply-To: debi@ilbom.ernet.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: debi@ilbom.ernet.in To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Dragon flies Content-Type: text X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO There seems to be a profusion of dragon flies this year in Bombay and Poona. Unlike the past two years, where hardly a handful of dragon flies were seen around Powai lake (where I live), this year they are visible in thousands, for the past 3-4 weeks. During a visit to Pune two weeks ago, to a friend's farm at Yerwada on Nagar road, I again saw thousands of dragon flies. My friend also confirmed that this was an unusually high number of drgaon flies this year. Is is because of the prolonged monsoons? or is it a cyclical phenomenom? are there any similar observations in other parts of India? Cheers Debi ______________________________________ -------------------------------------- Debi Goenka Bombay Environmental Action Group 4 Kurla Industrial Estate LBS Marg Mumbai 400086 India Tel: 91-22-5700638 Telefax: 91-22-5701459 e-mail: debi@ilbom.ernet.in -------------------------------------- From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 10:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01167; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:38:52 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id HAA19398; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:34:29 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 57035 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67263-23527>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:04:41 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21454; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20804; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA20787 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 202.54.6.1 (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA01969 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:43:01 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19981117073146.4fd7a2b2@202.54.6.1> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:43:01 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: zooreach@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: "Sally Walker, Z.O.O./CBSG, India/ARNIZE" To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: questionable reintroductions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: zooreach@202.54.6.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Jagdish Krishnaswamy has related information about historical range of Swamp deer -- thanks ... I was too lazy to look it up. JK has asked why 7 and not 20 or more. Actually 20 odd were proposed in the beginning but it was decided finally to begin with 7 and see how the project progressed and add more animals when it was clear that there was some chance of success. I remembered a record of introduction of Manipur brow-antlered deer into Jaldapara by the department some years ago which was an abject failure and requested more caution. What you say about the small number itself possibly causing failure is not untrue BUT the track record for zoo reintroductions or even moving animals here is not very good and it seems a very risky proposition to try 20 at one time. Regarding disease, it has been said by more than one Indian veterinary doctor than probably every deer in captivity in India has t.b. I do not know as I am not a vet but this has been a common complaint in zoos and by zoos. One of their big problems is how to keep their deer disease free. The Lucknow animals were all together until relatively recently in a small enclosure directly under some flats right by the roadside. There was a wall seperating the street from the deer but trash from the flats could have got into the enclosure. I believe many of the (maybe all of them) were moved BUT t.b. is not easy to eradicate. Moreover, the barasingha at Lucknow zoo are all descended from two founders. This is documented. There have been no fresh animals added to this group despite recommendations from individuals, workshops and official bodies. If this has been done at all, it is within the last two years and would not have any effect on the existing animals as yet. Therefore all these animals are inbred; to what extend this has affected their fitness I do not know and we will not know until they are released. My concern is that a difficult project is being undertaken with animal that have two very definite strikes against them, e.g. they have been captive or descended from long-time captive animals and they are inbred. Plus the possibility of disease. I am concerned because my subject is zoos and their ability to strengthen conservation efforts. I have become very disallusioned after 14 years of work in this area, not by the zoos and zoo personnel themselves, but by the administrative system, which seems to prevent zoos from improving. I say this after six years on the Central Zoo Authority which also has poured money and energy into improvement of zoos but with indifferent results. There is a strong will on the part of some government officials to improve the zoos and I know some who have literally devoted their lives to this BUT ... Projects such as these should make a zoo promoter happy but I know if there is a big failure it will only worsen the image of zoos and their ability to contribute to genuine conservation. I feel there are problems that should be addressed aggressively by the state governments in the zoos themselves before they undertake splashy reintroduction project. This way of conducting reintroduction is, if you will pardon the expression, "ass-backwards". You are supposed to decide for the reintroduction after research of the area (this might have been done all right) and THEN breed the animals you need for the project very carefully, insuring their fitness, genetic make up (should not be severely inbred), they should be isolated from human interaction (preferably from birth), etc. etc. There are systematic guidelines for this from the Reintroduction Specialist Group as well as from a scientific welfare group in UK. My modus operandi is not to criticise zoos or even government AND not to be obstructive. I would not want a potentially good project de-railed. At the same time, I don't think the subject of reintroduction is taken seriously or systematically enough in India. I do not know of a single project in which captive-born animals have been released back to the wild with systematic planning and monitoring. If captive breeding is to be helpful to conservation, the whole package of protocols should be observed so that all goes well. This simply does not happen. Zoos and captive breeding are accepted all over the world as potential or actual part of the conservation process, particularly for areas with small populations or where the population has been extinguished. I would certainly like to see Indian zoos become relevant to conservation but I don't think it will happen if projects are done backwards. Regarding the leopard, I got my states wrong. Sorry. I am still concerned whatever the state. Again, if this leopard misbehaves, it will definitely be considered a "reintroduction" of some sort and reflect badly on zoos. Three weeks in a zoo is sufficient to desensitize a wild animal to humans and expose the animal to disease. All precautions might have been taken; I hope so -- I am just asking if people are tracking this. With my very best wishes, -- please note change in phone & fax nos. Sally Walker Zoo Outreach Organisation/Conservation Breeding Specialist Group, CBSG, India Asian Regional Network of International Zoo Educators Box 1683, Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu 640 004 India Phones 91 422 563 159; 561 087 Fax 91 422 563 269 Our Websites are all "in process" but you may like to check them out anyway: 1. CBSG, India : CAMP PHVA Results -- http://members.xoom.com/ZOOIndia/aculty/boyle/sold_out.htme/ 2. ZOO, ZOOS' PRINT, ZOO ZEN -- http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/6883sold_out.htme/ 3. History of Zoos and Nat Hist in India http://members.tripod.com/~SPHOZANHIvines/6883sold_out.htme/ 4. About Sally Walker personally and the Asian Regional Network of International Zoo Educators http://members.tripod.com/~SallyANHIvines/6883sold_out.htme/ Walker From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Tue Nov 17 11:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01494 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:49:06 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id AAA08416; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:10:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07064; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:23:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA06602 for bioenergy-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06587 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: ANovelli@aol.com Received: from ANovelli@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 1NLUa04135; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:34:41 EST To: WBrewer@aol.com, bioenergy@crest.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: would appreciate yourhelp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO WBrewer, It's not surprising that this is a tough arguement to make, as the best sources I know say that there has yet to be a single peer-reviewed scientific paper that opposes man-made changes. Anyone else have evidence/info to the contrary? Tony Novelli Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/ From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01752 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:56:46 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA04624; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:29:59 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA12111; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811161536.KAA12111@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: "ATSAF e.V." To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: [GKD] ICT for Rural Development Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO EFITA/99 - Sustainability in the Information Society - 2nd Conference of the European Federation for Information Technology in Agriculture, Food and the Environment (EFITA), September 27-30, 1999 in Bonn Hello, The Council for Tropical and Subtropical Agricultural Research (ATSAF e.V.) is building up a working group on 'ICT for Rural development'. ATSAF would like the topic to be presented in the Symposium line of EFITA/99 'IT and Development'. We would highly appreciate it if you and your working group could contribute your knowledge and experience to the symposium and utilize it for discussion of ICT for rural development world wide. Representatives of FAO, GTZ (Germany) and University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada, have announced their participation to EFITA/99's symposium line. For more informatiton to the EFITA-Conference, see: http://www.dainet.de/efita99newables/bioenergy-list-archive/ . You can order the Call for Papers (as paper form) at: or . Please note that the definite(!) deadline for sending your short abstract will be December 31, 1998. Beyond that we would be glad if there could be established some fields of cooperation of ATSAF and your working group referring to 'ICT and Rural development'. For example, ATSAF has established an Internet NEWS SERVICE: information related to international development is always welcome, news about what's going on, trends, future perspectives in Research and Practice. Looking forward to your answer, yours sincerely, (Dr. Angelika Loeper) Arbeitsgemeinschaft f. Tropische und Subtropische Agrarforschung (ATSAF) e.V. Thomas-Mann-Str.52, D-53111 Bonn Tel.: +49(0)228-9846-10 Fax: -9846-99 From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01905 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:03:57 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA02989; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:00:09 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA11239; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:58:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811161458.JAA11239@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:31:26 -0800 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: Michael Robin Subject: Re: [GKD] Y2K: Y2K and the nuclear arsenal Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO There was a news things on Wired (or Hot Wired) that the US and Russia have agreed to turn the systems off to avoid "catastrophic failure" of the nuclear systems. (Sorry but I did not save the piece to include a pointer here). Michael Robin Thomas Fortenberry wrote: >I was wondering if anyone saw the report a day ago on the CNN or MSNBC >(whichever corporate non-news news show I was watching) on the Y2K problem >with the nuclear arsenal. Some things that caught my eye was that, though >the same thing is wrong-- embedded microchips that are all doomed to >failure-- the Pentagon had no comment on it and refused to discuss what >they called could be a catastrophic failure. Two options were mentioned >by "sources": turning the entire North American system offline or having >"critical response" teams in place to try and handle failures and problems >as they occurred. From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01911 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:04:17 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA03078; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:01:22 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA11638; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:16:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811161516.KAA11638@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:39:09 -0500 (EST) From: John McLaughlin To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: Re: [GKD] Y2K: Level-headed documentation? Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO I wouldn't exactly call this "level-headed documentation"; books with exclamation points in their titles rarely fit that description. As I recall in any case, among its suggestions across the range of options it traces are acquisition of rifles to forestall looters. In my opinion, backed up by accident statistics around here, ordinary people who mess around with firearms wind up hurting people other than their intended targets, at least some of the time. In other words, alarmism can lead to unintentional fatalities. But I see I'm getting paranoid, so I'll sign off this discussion for the time being until its blood pressure comes down a bit. Don't let me get started on "You could check it on the web." John On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 snkarim@citechco.net wrote: > Dear Mr. Acevedo, > > I have recently come across a book (advised by my former instructor, > Professor Dave Miller, > (http://cswww.bemidji.msus.edu/~dmiller/homepage.htmlarchive/) called "Time Bomb > 2000!" by Ed & Jennifer Yourdon. It is "aimed at aimed at ordinary > people, including our family, our neighbors, our friends, and all the > millions of people who use computers ...". "...this book asks the > question: what if the computer industry doesn't manage to fix the Y2000 > problem successfully? How serious a problem could it be, and what should From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01915 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:04:38 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id VAA02694; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:55:41 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA11496; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:10:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811161510.KAA11496@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: "Watermeyer, Henry" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:12:58 +200 Subject: Re: [GKD]: Y2K: global estimates, Net resources, the term "bomb", etc. Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Hi Roberto and all, Roberto Verzola wrote: > On Henry Watermayer's note: > > I am not sure that i would agree with Roberto and call it a "bomb" > > It *is* a software time bomb. The millennium-bomb will most probably > cause fewer deaths than the Hiroshima or Nagasaki A-bombs. But its > disruptive effect and reach will probably be greater than these > A-bombs and certainly greater than any conventional bomb. I guess my concern is that calling it a "bomb" brings with it much emotional baggage. While I agree that there is a very high probability of a serious economic meltdown, recent problems in Asia at a macro level serve to confirm the fragile nature of the global economy, I fear that human nature will reject as far fetched anything which plays on the collective emotion like the term "bomb". The problem is that for most people they are just very small components in a massive system. They cannot influence, one way or another, the shape or nature of the aggregate whole. Raising fearful emotions will have the effect that has been suggested elsewhere of causing civil unrest and a global shambles. I for one cannot see that the impact will be anything like as catastrophic as that. Yes it will take time to restore economic order, yes there will be disruptions but lets not lose sight of the fact that much work is being done to correct the basic elements of economic life world wide. We could well have a "bomb" on our hands if nothing was being done, but activity such as this list, is going on all around the world. More and more people are aware and are taking steps to ensure that even if their systems fail, life will go on. Yes I know that many of the fall back systems put into place to ensure that critical facilities survive should computer systems fail, are based on other computer systems but many revert to manual over ride when all else fails. Clearly large volumes of data, as with international finance, cannot be handled effectively by hand but I suggest it is naive to assume that those responsible for systems of this nature have done nothing to protect themselves. In my view, large, critical systems will, in most cases be able to manage. The twin dangers to the global economy, as opposed to local, that I see are mainly in the developed world and they stem from a) people who don't want to protect themselves, typically SME, because they don't know, can't afford to or because of the "Bill Gates" syndrome I have referred to before, and b) the mad rush to get involved in legal restitution claims (or to get protection from these!) Yes, individual banks and money systems are at risk but I suggest that these risks are well understood by the people who run the organisations. Never underestimate human nature and its ability to protect itself. I repeat my view that the danger of a "bomb" type collapse stems from a senario where people do nothing. We have many people doing a lot. Henry "Ed Yardini is an optimist! 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Can the Internet help us overcome these? Undoubtedly, yes. But what needs to be done to remove the roadblocks that the Internet itself faces in the region, and what are the right steps to take, to promote its use? How can we help and learn from each other? Questions such as these will be taken up in an electronic discussion, which started in early October and which you can join by visiting: http://www.PanAsiaNetworking.org.sg/cgi-bin/majordomo/lwgate.sasianet/sasianet For about 16 participants of this electronic discussion, the organisers will be able to fund the travel and stay for a 3-4 day workshop, at either Dacca, where we will have the opportunity to see the very interesting example of Grameen Telecom, or in Khatmandu some time next February. The rest, we hope, will participate electronically in this workshop as well. I do hope you will join, and actively participate in this discussion, which will enable you to make friends and useful contacts in this region, plus contribute to its development. Please pass on this message to anybody else who you feel may be interested as well. Warm regards, Arun ____________ THE INTERNET : SOUTH ASIAN REALITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES Introduction The Internet offers a rare opportunity to policy-makers, regulators, NGOs and citizens, since it bears the potential for increasing wealth and improving health and education in nations that learn to use it well. At the same time, it brings with it problems, as its inherent anarchy resists regulation and planning. Because of this, success can only come in societies that engage in comprehensive discussion of the issues involved in promoting the Internet. All the players mentioned above are inextricable parts of this complex, and there is a dire need to open communication channels between them. The countries of South Asia face similar problems with the Internet, yet they have adopted very different models for its advancement. While in Pakistan the private sector dominates, in India the government has so far been the monopoly service provider. Bangladesh has been remarkably innovative in bringing telecom to the poor, demonstrating clearly the considerable scope there is to learn from each other. To facilitate this comprehensive discussion, and to help look for solutions to the blockages in the path of the Internet in South Asia, the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD) in Kathmandu <http://www.south-asia.com/icimod.htmcgi-bin/majordomo/lwgate.sasianet/sasianet> with financial support of the International Development Research Centre (IDRC) of Canada , proposes to organise a workshop in February 1999. Approximately 16 key players and observers in this rapidly changing field will be invited from Bangladesh, India, Nepal and Pakistan, bringing together experts from government, regulatory bodies, NGOs, ISPs and the user community. The participants of this workshop will be selected primarily from the contributors to a moderated electronic discussion, which will be open to anyone wishing to contribute meaningfully to this process. While there are a large number of issues to discuss in this endeavor, it is hoped that the electronic discussion will help prioritize and select key issues for face-to-face discussion. Issues A preliminary list of issues for electronic discussion is given below: 1) Access a) A comparison of models of ISP ownership (eg., private, government, NGO) b) Providing access to the poor and illiterate c) Technological aspects relating to bandwidth (eg. quality and quantity) issues relating to technical manpower and the sharing of technical expertise d) Regional backbone and ISP collaboration in South Asia e) Security f) Gender-related issues 2) Content a) Culture -- threats and opportunities b) Generation of local-language content, and cross-border flows c) Direction and flow of information (e.g. North--South) and its implications d) Applications in health, etc e) Use of the Internet in distance education, and as an educational tool 3) Regulation a) Regulation vis-a-vis the Internet and policy formulation -- what works and what doesn't, pricing policy/tariffs, licensing practices b) Role of Government, ISPs, Regional and International Bodies, Users c) E-Commerce in the South Asian region d) Mechanisms for user feedback into policymaking 4) Opportunities for regional cooperation in promoting the growth of the Internet It is expected that the electronic discussion will add to this list, and hopefully select approximately six issues, in which a face-to-face discussion could significantly help raise the level of clarity in areas where decisions need to be taken by the countries involved. The organizers will also set up a web-site to collect and present information emanating out of the electronic discussion, including links to other useful sites in the areas under discussion. A small working group consisting of one representative each from Bangladesh, India, Nepal and Pakistan as well as the ICIMOD project coordinator for this initiative and the electronic discussion list moderator will be created to plan this initiative further. The working group members will also help to propogate this initiative further, seek greater country-level participation in the electronic discussion as well as prepare and present a country paper/report at the workshop itself. While funding is available for travel and living expenses of about 16 participants, others are invited to participate electronically in the deliberations at the workshop, which will last 3 or 4 days (exact dates and venue yet to be decided). Tentative Agenda Day 1: Introduction of participants. Presentation of country reports, which highlight the current situation of the Internet in each country. Presentation of summary report by the moderator of the electronic discussion list, highlighting the key issues emerging out of the electronic discussion. Discussion of agenda for working groups andestablishment of the same Day 2: Meetings of working groups to cover the priority issues identified by the electronic discussion list. Plenary meeting to finalise recommendations. Day 3: Continuation of Working group meetings to discuss identified priority issues. Possibly a field visit. Day 4: Concluding plenary session. Report Shortly after conclusion of the workshop, a brief report highlighting the issues discussed and the conclusions reached will be added to the web site, and possibly published in a journal. If there is sufficient interest among the participants, electronic discussion will continue after the workshop is concluded, to foster on-going contact between experts of the region. Moderator Dr. Arun Mehta, amehta@cerf.net, a Delhi-based net activist who has been involved in several campaigns relating to cyber rights and who moderates the "India-gii" discussion list, will serve as the moderator for this exercise. He will also present the summary results of the discussion list at the workshop in February 1999 and prepare a final report of the workshop. Project Coordinator Mr. Shahid Akhtar, shahid@icimod.org.np who is in-charge of ICIMOD's communication, information and networking activities, is the project coordinator and will oversee the entire activity in all its dimensions from beginning to end. From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01449 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:47:23 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA12625; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:33:15 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11927; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:46:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA11505 for bioenergy-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.atl.mindspring.net (smtp3.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.43]) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11499 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pipeline.com (ip54.tallahassee3.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.208.54]) by smtp3.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26603; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:59:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365083C4.32DB97B8@pipeline.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:57:56 -0500 From: Dick Glick Organization: CFR X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ANovelli@aol.com CC: WBrewer@aol.com, bioenergy@crest.org Subject: Re: would appreciate yourhelp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello Bioenergy friends -- Here's one to chew on -- just the classical argument! Best, Dick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [INFOBEAT | ] 12:01 PM ET 05/04/98 FEATURE-Scientists see sun, not people, behind global warming By Neil Winton, Science and Technology Correspondent LONDON (Reuters) - World governments are signing on to a treaty that seeks to stop mankind from destroying the Earth's climate, but some experts say the sun may be to blame and want to test the theory. The European Union signed the Kyoto treaty on climate change in New York last Wednesday, bringing the total number of signatories to 34. Last December, the world's industrial nations agreed at a conference in Kyoto, Japan, to cut emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other gases by an average 5.2 percent from 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012. The accord followed a controversial report by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluding that the burning of fossil fuels was behind an increase in global temperature since the late 19th century. But the evidence linking mankind with climate change has always been contested. Even Ben Santer, atmospheric scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and lead writer of the IPCC report, pointed out that there was evidence pointing either way, with significant uncertainties. Despite the inconclusive science, many political leaders have embraced the notion that human activity is causing global warming and action is required to avert a climate catastrophe. DANES SAY SUN POWERS CLIMATE CHANGE Knud Lassen and Eigil Friis-Christensen, scientists at the Danish Meteorological Institute, have published a theory suggesting the rise in the Earth's temperature owes everything to long-term changes in the sun's output and nothing to greenhouse gases released by burning fossil fuels. Their studies showed that climate is influenced by cosmic and solar rays impacting on the Earth's magnetic field. Cosmic rays vary with the solar cycle and interact with the solar wind, which has a direct impact on cloud floud cover will have a direct influence on the amount of the sun's heat that is absorbed or reflected back into space. The solar theory explained why Greenland was warm enough to attract Viking settlement more than 1,000 years ago and southern England supported a red wine industry during Roman times. In neither case was there a suspicion of human influence on climate. Jasper Kirkby and Frank Close of the European particle-physics center CERN in Geneva have been impressed by the solar theory and want to set up an experiment to test it. ``The more I read about this theory the more convinced I am that they (the Danes) are on to something very important,'' Kirkby told Reuters. ``A striking correlation has been observed between global cloud cover and the incident of cosmic rays ... causing estimated changes in global temperatures that are comparable to all the warming attributed to greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels since the Industrial Revolution,'' he said. CERN PHYSICISTS SEEK TO VERIFY SOLAR CLAIM ``However, a direct link between cosmic rays and cloud formation has not yet been unambiguously established. We therefore propose to experimentally measure cloud formation under controlled conditions at CERN.'' Kirkby says there is a major flaw in the argument that warming is directly linked to rising CO2 emissions -- between 1945 and 1970 world temperatures dipped while CO2 emissions rose steadily. ``This dip seems well matched to a decrease in the sun's activity,'' he said. But many other scientists have little time for these arguments, which they say only serve to slow down urgently required action. ``We have enough evidence for governments to act,'' said Sir John Houghton, recently retired chairman of Britain's Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution. ``The greenhouse effect is real and more of the world will warm up. The potential for rainfall, sea level increases, floods and droughts are serious. If we carry on burning fossil fuels without curbs, temperatures will change faster over the next century than they have over the last 10,000 years,'' said Houghton, still co-chairman of the IPCC's scientific assessment working group. Darren Goetze of the Union of Concerned Scientists in Cambridge, Massachusetts, agreed that solar activity played a role in the past but says now it is human activity that is calling the shots. ``In the 20th century it is quite clear that solar activity is not dominant. Warming is quite clearly ascribed to rising greenhouse gases,'' he said. ``The rise since 1970 (after the unexplained dip) is even steeper than 1900 to 1945. And the 15 warmest years on record have all been since 1980. For 10,000 years we have seen rather extraordinary stability. Now we are starting to see extraordinary variability,'' Goetze said. CERN TEST RESULTS POSSIBLE IN TWO YEARS But the debate goes on. Henrik Svensmark, another scientist from the Danish Meteorological Institute, said current warming was explained by solar activity currently being the highest in the last 600 years, coupled with a low cosmic ray count in the last eight years. ``There is no proof of manmade influence on the climate yet. The CERN experiment would be very welcome to establish the solar link,'' Svensmark said. But Goetze called for clear policy steps now. ``We need to tighten the commitments of industrialized countries to keep up the process of decarbonizing economies. Then we need to engage the developing economies to take the same kind of steps.'' The Kyoto agreement did not include developing countries. CERN's Kirkby said his planned experiment could be set up within one year, with results about one year later. It requires support from some European institutes. ``The experiment could resolve one of the important unknown effects that have so far prevented reliable calculations of global warming from greenhouse gases, an issue of profound economic and social importance to the world,'' he said. ^REUTERS@ ANovelli@aol.com wrote: > WBrewer, > > It's not surprising that this is a tough arguement to make, as the best > sources I know say that there has yet to be a single peer-reviewed scientific > paper that opposes man-made changes. Anyone else have evidence/info to the > contrary? > > Tony Novelli > Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: > http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/.sasianet/sasianet Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/.sasianet/sasianet From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 11:14:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01845 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:01:45 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA04673; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:31:07 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA11171; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:55:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811161455.JAA11171@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:05:56 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: John Walker Subject: [GKD] ICANN draws criticism from two groups Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO The CSS Internet News (tm) is a daily e-mail publication that has been providing up to date information to Netizens since 1996. 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Now a group of administrators of country-code Top Level Domains (ccTLD), which hands out domains that end with codes such as .mx for Mexico, and a group of Internet experts, known as the Boston Working Group (BWG), are asking the U.S. government to prevent the ICANN board from adopting the bylaws. The BWG had submitted an alternative to ICANN. The BWG wants the government to wait for a public meeting scheduled for Nov. 14 in Cambridge, Mass., before approving the bylaws and transferring to ICANN the authority to oversee top-level domains and IP addresses. Currently, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has a contract with the U.S. government to maintain the Internet infrastructure. If ICANN has a contract with the U.S. government before the public meeting, it won't have the incentive to reach a consensus on controversial issues in the bylaws, the BWG said in its letter. The BWG is primarily concerned with the role of so-called Supporting Organizations (SO) in the bylaws. "We see in the current structure a danger that the SOs will evolve into producer cartels in domain name and number markets," the letter said. Meanwhile, administrators for ccTLDs want to preserve existing policies governing the management of their country-specific domain names. The group, which is calling itself the International Association of Top Level Domains (IATLD), has 12 members including .LA from the Lao People's Democratic Republic, .MX of Mexico and .DO from the Dominican Republic. A total of 69 ccTLD administrators support the IATLD, and 66 of them have signed a petition asking ICANN not to change the existing ccTLD policy, said IATLD member Bill Semich, president of .NU Domain Ltd. The revised bylaws would recognize "each nation's sovereign control over its individual Top Level Domain." However, the existing policy has allowed any entity to serve as a registry on a first-come, first-served basis if it meets certain criteria. Few of the more than 220 ccTLDs are governmental entities, according to Semich. The current ccTLDs fear that under the revised bylaws, governmental bodies could apply to become registries and knock most of the current ccTLDs out of business. In addition, if the newest ICANN bylaw proposal goes through as is, individual countries will be left to deal completely with their own TLD administration process, instead of being part of the global domain name process that many hoped would come from the formation of ICANN, IATLD said in its statement. That could "nationalize and segment the Internet, breaking it up into parcels of cyber-territories," the statement said. Esther Dyson, interim chairman of the ICANN board, said, "Obviously we think we have gone about as far as we can go. She added that "a fair part of the Internet community is happy with what we've done. "We've made a lot of progress," she said. "Clearly we haven't won everybody over, and at some point we're just not going to. The world is too diverse." Calls to the Commerce Department and senior policy advisor Ira Magaziner, who said earlier this week that he planned to resign, were not returned. However, a statement on the National Telecommunications Information Administration (NTIA) Web site indicates there will be no action taken before the meeting on Saturday. "We are currently reviewing the ICANN submission," Becky Burr, associate administrator of the NTIA for international affairs, said in the statement. "We look forward to the results of the ongoing online discussions and the results of the ICANN open meeting in Boston scheduled for Nov. 14." http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9811091icann/.sasianet/sasianet --------------- Also in this issue: - Justice Expert Debunks Browser Integration Not all organizations need or want Internet browsers built into their operating systems -- which they do need, said the next witness in the U.S. Department of Justice versus Microsoft antitrust case in written testimony released late Friday. - NSI snafu stalls some Net access Web surfers trying to gain access to some Web sites hit a roadblock earlier this week. - ICANN draws criticism from two groups Two groups interested in how Internet governance is evolving have asked the U.S. government not to accept a set of revised bylaws submitted by the newly created board of directors for Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). - Microsoft showcases new text technology Microsoft researchers hope to make reading text on computer screens much easier -- a move that could jump-start the electronic book business -- with new software, to be first shown at Comdex, that greatly enhances screen resolution. - Y2K closes the window on software upgrades Software providers looking to deliver major upgrades of their applications may be out of luck as IT organizations stretched too thin by the year-2000 problem move to postpone all major software upgrades. - Group forms to end software chaos An impressive IT industry force is assembling to launch an ambitious quest for the holy grail of true interoperability and open systems. - Lucent To Equip New Homes With Futuristic Network [November 13, 1998] Lucent Technologies has signed contracts worth more than $22 million to equip several residential communities now under construction with an advanced communications network that will offer a variety of high-tech services. - National Semiconductor to unveil wireless Internet device design For those who can't sit still while surfing the Internet, National Semiconductor Corp. has a device to free Web users from their desks. - Students Dropping Out, Tuning Into Computer Industry    DAYTON, Ohio -- Last year, University of Dayton sophomores David Marshall and Kevin Guyton decided it was time to commit to their dreams of success in the computer business.    It was time to drop out of school. - New Lists and Journals * NEW: Teacher Talk - Free Weekly Newsletter * CHANGE: Simple-Times - Frugal Living * NEW: This Week In US History - Sunday Supplement SURVEYS THIS WEEK: INTERNATIONAL : Germany Goes on Internet Strike : Vietnam To Cut Net Access Rates ISP INDUSTRY : UK ISP Subscriptions Rising : India Finally Issues ISP Licenses : Saudi Arabia Issues First ISP Licenses ECOMMERCE : Holiday Gift Market Remains Untapped : German Businesses Appraise Ecommerce : Ecommerce in Europe Set to Rocket : Majority of SMEs to Build Ecommerce Sites : Emarketers Respond to Analysts : Online Trading Settles Down ADS/MARKETING : Ad Revenue to Hit USD2 Billion in 1998 : Banner Ads Drop in Price COMPUTER INDUSTRY : PC Sales in the US Will Slump in 2000 MISCELLANEOUS : Online Porn Industry Facing Crisis : A Flexible Work Place Means Higher Profits : 44 Percent of College Courses Use Email On-line Learning Series of Courses http://www.bestnet.org/~jwalker/course.htm/all/9811091icann/.sasianet/sasianet Member: Association for International Business ------------------------------- Excerpt from CSS Internet News (tm) ,-~~-.____ For subscription details email / | ' \ jwalker@hwcn.org with ( ) 0 SUBINFO CSSINEWS in the \_/-, ,----' subject line. ==== // / \-'~; /~~~(O) "On the Internet no one / __/~| / | knows you're a dog" =( _____| (_________| http://www.bestnet.org/~jwalker/course.htm/all/9811091icann/.sasianet/sasianet ------------------------------- From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01604; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:51:09 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA13989; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:29:05 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 46163 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67470-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:58:28 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02636; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06260; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (giasbm01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.18]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04464 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (PPP113-29.bom.vsnl.net.in [202.54.113.29]) by giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22047; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:56:42 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <36508AD1.D7F1F1AA@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:58:01 +0530 Reply-To: bittu@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Bittu Sahgal To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Questionable re-introductions References: <1.5.4.16.19981115141535.4017f24e@202.54.6.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: zooreach@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in, Natural History India X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO I have no particular knowledge about the leopard mentioned by Sally, but have heard disturbing stories (no proof) about attempts to reintroduce pet leopards into forests in different parts of the country with help from some forest officers brought up on stories of "Elsa the Lion". I fear that these could set into motion a series of killings and bring wild leopards a bad name in the process. Bittu -- Bittu Sahgal, Editor, Sanctuary Magazine, 602, Maker Chambers V, Nariman Point, Mumbai 400 021 Fax: 022-2874380 email: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01607; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:51:15 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA13964; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:27:52 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 45996 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67356-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:57:55 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02342; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06174; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from gibson.acpub.duke.edu (gibson.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.8]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27940 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from teer3.acpub.duke.edu (jug@teer3.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.182]) by gibson.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.6.0) with ESMTP id NAA15065; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jug@localhost) by teer3.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.4) id NAA02939; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:54:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jug@acpub.duke.edu Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Krishnaswamy Jagdish To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Questionable re-introductions In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19981115141535.4017f24e@202.54.6.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Sally Walker, Z.O.O./CBSG, India/ARNIZE" X-Cc: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Sally and others, This Barasingha Swamp deer reintroduction is also mentioned on the West Bengal forest department's wild wing web site. I have a couple of questions: 1) Was capture from the wild ( Kishanpur, Dudhwa ) not considered as an alternative to the Lucknow Zoo animals? As you will recall the attempt to translocate a dozen Brasinghas from Kanha to Bandhavgrah in the mid-eighties failed and all the deer arrived already dead at the destination. Maybe techniques have been refined further these days. Also even wild herbivores sometimes contract disease and periodically die. Sometimes this is a density-dependant situation. One cannot assume that all captive bred deer are necessarily all diseased without scrutiny. I am sure you are more aware of the state of captive stocks in Indian Zoos, and maybe you can enlighten us. And will just seven swamp deer suffice or will it doom this reintroduction to failure? Why only seven, and not twenty? Was this based on choice of disease free individuals or just some other bias. regards, Jagdish Krishnaswamy From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01862; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:02:28 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA11356; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:00:48 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 61683 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68017-23523>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:54 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26217; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28737; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pohl.acpub.duke.edu (pohl.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.64]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25771 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teer3.acpub.duke.edu (jug@teer3.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.182]) by pohl.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.6.0) with ESMTP id NAA03555; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jug@localhost) by teer3.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.4) id NAA02750; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jug@acpub.duke.edu Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Krishnaswamy Jagdish To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Questionable re-introductions In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19981115141535.4017f24e@202.54.6.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Sally Walker, Z.O.O./CBSG, India/ARNIZE" X-Cc: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Sally and others, Jaldapara is very much part of the historical range of the Swamp deer and all the older pre-independence and some post independence records/naturalist accounts mention it: eg Shebbeare, EP Gee et c. There are many places which have changed mammalin distributions because of recent reintroductions either by maharajas or forest department: eg before 1958, Chital was almost non-existent in Sariska, Rajasthan. The provision of water and probable release of captive Chital has resulted in abundant chital. Black buck, Nilgai and wild boar at Gajner near Bikaner owe their presence to a similar reintroduction and provision of water. More recently captive sambar and barking deer were released in the Horsley hills in Andhra Pradesh. I can mention many other cases. Till 1978, stray Swamp deer were present in Corbett, Actually, EP Gee mentions the presence of Swamp deer in the early sixties. There is a plan to reintroduce them here as well if the habitat is avilable. Also the leopard in question ( the one caught just outside Chandigarh) was not released in Rajasthan as you mention but in the Kalesar reserved forests ( a 100 km2 sanctuary exists on the Haryana side ) in the Shivaliks. regards, Jagdish Krishnaswamy From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01609; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:51:20 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA14535; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:48:34 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 51833 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68113-23525>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:18:38 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11515; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA08332; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (giasbm01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.18]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08245 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (PPP113-29.bom.vsnl.net.in [202.54.113.29]) by giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA31475 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:44:28 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <36509619.D5A76A43@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:46:09 +0530 Reply-To: bittu@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Bittu Sahgal To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Can village compensation alone prevent tiger-killing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Natural History India X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO I refer to the Deccan Herald report posted on this list (extracted below). There is no doubt that paying speedy and adequate compensation has helped the situation, but lets not be so quick to presume that mere compensation to villagers can prevent the tiger killings. I have visited the area extensively and have interacted with Range Officers and villagers. Poaching gangs are much smarter and more ruthless than this report gives them credit for and across India they have learned to use villagers as fronts to ply their bloody trade. Over 30 tigers are reported to have been killed in the Nagarjunasagar-Srisailam Tiger Reserve and in the Annamalai forests to the immediate south in a span of two years. I have not been able to establish that the 30 or so carcasses were post mortemed... or even found, though there is no evidence to suggest that they were all killed by poachers either. If the killings have dwindled, it is probably because with such massive "extraction" it will take several years for tigers populations in the region to build up again. Of course, it hardly helps that roads, a nuclear reactor and uranium mining are envisaged in this troubled Tiger Reserve. Bittu ---- "Asked about the largescale poaching of tigers in Nagarjunasagar Srisailam Tiger Reserve, Ranjitsinh said: "Yes, quite a large number of tigers were poisoned in this reserve last year. But since the implemention of the cattle compensation scheme, no case has been reported this year. Though I haven't visited Srisailam, my information is that the situation has stabilised." -- Bittu Sahgal, Editor, Sanctuary Magazine, 602, Maker Chambers V, Nariman Point, Mumbai 400 021 Fax: 022-2874380 email: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01925; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:05:37 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA07714; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:50:06 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 42474 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67654-23527>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:07:07 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18981; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22295; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04074 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from NALINM@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9UZVa27408 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <799d76b6.3650250c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:13:48 EST Reply-To: NALINM@aol.com Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: NALINM@aol.com To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: "Development" of Sindhudurg beach (India) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Dear All, Another "dream beach" to be "developed". Any local environmental movements, protests against this? ========================> ECONOMIC TIMES INDIA NOV 16, 1998 Hotel majors plan to explore Sindhudurg beaches Meena Nichani ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MUMBAI 14 NOVEMBER SINDHUDURG, Maharashtra's untapped beach region, is close to becoming a sought after tourist destination. Leading chains like the Taj, Oberoi and Cidade de Goa have drawn up plans for setting up five-star luxury hotels on the beaches in the Sindhudurg district. The `dream' beach destination, 40 km north of Goa, will be developed at a cost of Rs 328 crore. Of this, Rs 235 crore will be invested by the private sector for providing tourist amenities such as accommodation. The remaining amount will be spent towards infrastructure development by the public sector. A large part of the private sector investment amounting to Rs 192 crore will flow in from the hotel majors. The Taj group and Cidade de Goa are setting up five-star luxury hotels costing Rs 70 crore each at Shiroda and Mochemad. And Oberoi is setting up a Rs 50-crore hotel at Mithbav. In all 20 sites spanning five beaches have been selected for developing tourist activities. As there are many potential tourist destinations, tourist sites have been clubbed together and grouped into five circuits called nodes. The tourism development study has been done by Tata Consultancy Services. The draft report states that investment in each of the five circuits was assessed on the estimated tourist traffic. Tourist traffic is likely to grow from 12,000 tourists in 1999 to 445,000 tourists by the year 2010. From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01237; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:42:16 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id FAA18068; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:55:20 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 45214 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67784-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:25:03 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17370; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA17267; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from jennifer.emc.com.ph (una-jennifer.emc.com.ph [208.232.224.3]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17237 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from nasta (nasta.emc.com.ph [203.176.3.19]) by jennifer.emc.com.ph (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27111 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:24:24 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:24:20 +0800 Reply-To: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph (Nirmal Ghosh) To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: swamp deer References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-ID: X-Sender: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO jug@acpub.duke.edu,Internet writes: > Till 1978, stray Swamp deer were present in Corbett, Actually, EP >Gee >mentions the presence of Swamp deer in the early sixties. There is a >plan >to reintroduce them here as well if the habitat is avilable. > I wonder which part of Corbett they were reported from. I know swamp deer were present (and maybe a few still are) in the southern part, i.e. Dhela-Jhirna range. I recall seeing three very big stags there in the late '60s (near the chaur at Phanton FRH). And I've heard of (never looked for) a herd somewhere near the periphery of Rajaji Nat Park (Chilla sanctuary). I was under the impression swamp deer had never crossed the range into the Dhikala chaur. I think it was Dr Ranjitsinh who told me they appeared to be unable to cross rather high and rugged ranges, unlike sambar. I would be interested in where the reports have been, and where the reintroductions would take place....does anyone know? - Nirmal From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01948; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:05:47 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA07222; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:37:17 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 42368 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67769-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:23 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18644; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22151; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from nde.vsnl.net.in (nde.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.75]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01338 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from personal (d906.pppdel.vsnl.net.in [202.54.59.51]) by nde.vsnl.net.in (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA03484 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981116130142.007d3c30@nde.vsnl.net.in> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:01:42 +0500 Reply-To: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: WPSI To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Wildlife Dinner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: nathistory-india@lists.princeton.edu X-Sender: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Ref.:/WPSI/IC-EM/11-98 16th November, 98 Dear All, Given below is an e-mail message sent by WPSI to the Hon'ble Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh. We urge you to send a similar message to his e-mail number given below and urge your friends to do so. Dr. Chandra Babu Naidu is a forward looking person and has brought Andhra Pradesh on the electronic map. Some of you may also be able to access his website for this purpose. With best wishes, Ashok Kumar Vice President Ref.:/WPSI/IC-GOI-EM/11-98 16th November, 98 Shri Chandrababu Naidu Hon'ble Chief Minister, Andhra Pradesh Hon'ble Chief Minister Shri Naidu, We have learnt with great concern that a dinner was held on 13th October, 98 which was attended by a number of dignitaries, and at this dinner allegedly meat of deer, wild boar, peacock and other wild animals was served in violation of the law. Through this message we urge you to take the strongest action and bring the guilty to justice. Protection of wildlife is a global concern since wild creatures are the composite heritage of the entire mankind. Through newspapers we have learnt that a few junior persons have been arrested but some newspapers have alleged that many others are being shielded. We will urge you to have an open and impartial enquiry so that anyone found guilty irrespective of his status is brought to justice. We look forward to the day when Andhra Pradesh is put on the map of international and national eco-tourism on the same level as Ranthambore (Rajasthan), Corbett (U.P.), Kanha and Bandhavgarh (M.P.) Yours sincerely, Belinda Wright Ashok Kumar Executive Director Vice President Brij Bhushan Sharm Bindia Sahgal Sanjay Upadhyay Conservation Officer Projects Manager Legal Advisor Baiju Sanyal K.P. Krishnan Jayakumar Database Consultant Accounts Officer Field Investigator Dinesh Kannoli Aruna Kamble Manish Moghe Edward Tete Suresh Kumar Wildlife Protection Society of India WILDLIFE PROTECTION SOCIETY OF INDIA Thapar House, 124 Janpath, New Delhi 110001, India Tel: (Int+91.11) 621 3864 & 623 8710 Fax: (Int+91.11) 646 4918 Email: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01208; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:41:50 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id KAA26855; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:38:05 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 45665 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67466-14319>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:07:57 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16675; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA26675; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from nde.vsnl.net.in (nde.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.75]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26500 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from personal ([202.54.99.79]) by nde.vsnl.net.in (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26262 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981117094935.007ccce0@nde.vsnl.net.in> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:49:35 +0500 Reply-To: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: WPSI To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Wildlife Dinner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: nathistory-india@lists.princeton.edu X-Sender: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Ref.:/WPSI/IC-EM/11-98 16th November, 98 Dear All, Given below is an e-mail message sent by WPSI to the Hon'ble Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh. We urge you to send a similar message to his e-mail number given below and urge your friends to do so. Dr. Chandra Babu Naidu is a forward looking person and has brought Andhra Pradesh on the electronic map. Some of you may also be able to access his website for this purpose. With best wishes, Ashok Kumar Vice President E-mail no. of CM is cmap@hyd.ap.nic.in Ref.:/WPSI/IC-GOI-EM/11-98 16th November, 98 Shri Chandrababu Naidu Hon'ble Chief Minister, Andhra Pradesh Hon'ble Chief Minister Shri Naidu, We have learnt with great concern that a dinner was held on 13th October, 98 which was attended by a number of dignitaries, and at this dinner allegedly meat of deer, wild boar, peacock and other wild animals was served in violation of the law. Through this message we urge you to take the strongest action and bring the guilty to justice. Protection of wildlife is a global concern since wild creatures are the composite heritage of the entire mankind. Through newspapers we have learnt that a few junior persons have been arrested but some newspapers have alleged that many others are being shielded. We will urge you to have an open and impartial enquiry so that anyone found guilty irrespective of his status is brought to justice. We look forward to the day when Andhra Pradesh is put on the map of international and national eco-tourism on the same level as Ranthambore (Rajasthan), Corbett (U.P.), Kanha and Bandhavgarh (M.P.) Yours sincerely, Belinda Wright Ashok Kumar Executive Director Vice President Brij Bhushan Sharm Bindia Sahgal Sanjay Upadhyay Conservation Officer Projects Manager Legal Advisor Baiju Sanyal K.P. Krishnan Jayakumar Database Consultant Accounts Officer Field Investigator Dinesh Kannoli Aruna Kamble Manish Moghe Edward Tete Suresh Kumar Wildlife Protection Society of India WILDLIFE PROTECTION SOCIETY OF INDIA Thapar House, 124 Janpath, New Delhi 110001, India Tel: (Int+91.11) 621 3864 & 623 8710 Fax: (Int+91.11) 646 4918 Email: wpsi@nde.vsnl.net.in From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01952; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:05:54 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA07287; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:38:17 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 42437 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67666-23527>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:57 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18847; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22236; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03731 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from NALINM@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9NDRa17681 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:45:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <83a0c615.36501e73@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:45:39 EST Reply-To: NALINM@aol.com Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: NALINM@aol.com To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Conservationist killed (Tibet Wildlife Trade) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO FYI All: Attached is a news brief about the recent alleged murder by poachers of a prominent Tibetan conservationist. A lot of Tibet's wildlife trade feeds into India's shahtoosh wool trade which is closely monitored by Indian NGO's seeking to halt the same. A distressing fact about this trade which has surfaced from various sources is the alleged involvement of PLA soldiers supplying automatic weapons and ammunition to local people and contracting out the large scale poaching of Chiru and other wildlife for a share in the profits. Belinda and Ashok - if there is further information, please add. Thanks. ____________________________________ China's top Tibet antelope campaigner slain BEIJING, Nov 16 (Reuters) - China's leading protector of the endangered Tibetan antelope was slain in a remote northwestern province earlier this month, the China Youth Daily reported on Monday. Zhaba Duojie, deputy Communist Party secretary of Zhidoi county in far western Qinghai province, was gunned down on November 8 at his home in nearby Yushu, the newspaper said, using his Chinese name. The ethnic Tibetan conservationist's wife had gone to a neighbour's house when she heard three shots from their home and rushed back to find Duojie lying in a pool of blood with a bullet hole below his left ear, the newspaper said. The killing was believed to be connected to poachers but was still under investigation, it said. Duojie manned a wildlife protection centre in Hoh Xil, China's largest unpopulated area and home to some of China's most endangered mammals, including the Tibetan antelope, the Tibetan wild donkey and snow leopards. Located in the northwest corner of the vast Qinghai-Tibet plateau where altitudes average 5,000 metres (16,000 ft), the centre was named after Doje's predecessor, Gyaisang Soinamdaje, who was killed in a fight with poachers four years ago. The Tibetan antelope, also called the chiru, is prized for the fur around its throat known as shahtoosh, trade in which has been illegal in most of the world since 1976. Despite its illegal status, shahtoosh ``king of wool'' shawls, woven in the Indian state of Kashmir, fetch more than $15,000 as a status symbol garment in Europe. Experts estimate that there are 75,000 to 100,000 Tibetan antelopes left and that as many as 20,000 a year are killed by gangs in China who shoot the animals 500 at a time from vehicles and smuggle the wool to India. Last month the official Xinhua news agency reported that 14 Tibetan poachers were given prison sentences ranging from three to 13 years and fined 700-15,000 yuan ($84-$1,807) for killing 500 antelope and buying 212 hides last winter in Tibet. ($-8.3 yuan) 06:31 11-16-98 Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01867; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:02:34 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id AAA11219; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:59:14 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 61521 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68215-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:10 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25889; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28646; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25248 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from NALINM@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 9UAJa09167 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:40:40 EST Reply-To: NALINM@aol.com Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: NALINM@aol.com To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Andhra Pradesh -WWF Tiger Initiative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO FWD FROM DECCAN CHRONICLE NOV 16, 1998 ===================> WWF wants tigers to roar in Khammam Hyderabad, Nov. 15: The World Wide Fund for Nature plans to lend special impetus to tiger sanctuaries in the State, especially those around the Papikonda hill tracts in Khammam and West Godavari districts for protection of this highly endangered species. Under a new tiger conservation programme, the WWF is contemplating providing additional funds to select sanctuaries to improve prey base and breeding nucleus of the magnificent animal and check poaching with improved technology among others. "We haven't finalised the areas, but we find that sanctuaries in parts of Khammam and West Godavari districts....Papikonda hills have high potential for implementation of the programme there. We are certainly keen on taking up next year, provided the State government is equally serious about it," Dr M K Ranjitsinh, Director and Regional Coordinator WWF (Tiger Conservation) told Deccan Chronicle. Ranjitsinh was here to over see the implementation of the WWF sponsored cattle compensation programme in Eturnagaram, Kinnerasani, Pakhal Tiger sanctuaries in Khammam and Warangal districts and expressed satisfaction. The scheme envisages payment of incentives to informants about killing of cattle by tigers. Anyone who informs forest officials about killing of a cattle by a tiger within 24 hours is paid Rs 300, between 24 hours and 48 hours Rs 200 and beyond 48 hours Rs 100. This is in addition to the payment of Rs 1,000 made by the State government to the cattle owner for every cattle killed before the actual value of the animal is fixed by village panchas. "Our aim is to see that cattle-owners are adequately compensated for the loss. We have paid compensation in 340 cases in Corbett park and other areas in Uttar Pradesh and some cases in Andhra Pradesh. The scheme is successful. On the otherside, the aim is to check killing of tigers by the owners of the lost cattle in retaliation," he said. Asked about the largescale poaching of tigers in Nagarjunasagar Srisailam Tiger Reserve, Ranjitsinh said: "Yes, quite a large number of tigers were poisoned in this reserve last year. But since the implemention of the cattle compensation scheme, no case has been reported this year. Though I haven't visited Srisailam, my information is that the situation has stabilised." It's a vicious circle. When tigers lose their prey base they hunt in nearby villages and kill cattle. The furious owners who are deprived of their daily bread retaliate and poison the big cats. The Forest Department has to regulate grazing of cattle, particularly those around reserved forests.Complimenting the Andhra Pradesh government, Ranjitsinh said it was the only State promptly paying compensation to owners whose cattles are killed by tigers. "I wish others follow it," he said. 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It lists the projects that have been submitted for environmental clearance to the MoEF (Thermal Power Plants, River Valley Projects, Industrial Projects, Infrastructural Projects and Mining Projects). The listing is by no means complete, but with a little effort it is possible to glean at least some information from this site. http://envfor.delhi.nic.in/envfor/ia/clear.html9811091icann/.sasianet/sasianet Bittu Sahgal, Editor, Sanctuary Magazine, 602, Maker Chambers V, Nariman Point, Mumbai 400 021 Fax: +91-22-2874380 Email: --------------8812781ED5C80668A5C66CE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name="clear.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="clear.html" Content-Base: "http://envfor.delhi.nic.in/envfor/ia/clear.html9811091icann/.sasianet/sasianet lear.html" STATUS OF PROJECTS SUBMITTED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE

STATUS OF PROJECTS SUBMITTED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE

 

 
 
Sl. No.
 
Thermal Power
Plant
 
River Valley
Projects
 
Industrial Projects
 
Infrastructural
Projects
 
 
Mining
  

1.

  

M/s Snehlata Power Ltd., Andhra Pradesh 

 

  

Champamati Irriga-tion Project, Deptt of Irrigation, Govt. of Assam. 

 

  

Integrated Complex at Jambalpade Tadipatri Distt of M/s SJK Steel Ltd. Andhra Pradesh

  

Construction of Lighted Beacon at RosenPoint Greater Nicobar Island, A & N Island. 

 

  

Limestone Open cast Mine of M/s Deccan Cement Ltd, Andhra Pradesh.

  

2.

  

M/s L.V.S. Power Ltd. Andhra Pradesh 

 

  

Kopili H.E.P. Stage.II (1x25 MW) North East electric Power Corpn. Ltd., Assam. 

 

  

Cement Plant at Rama-puram, Nalgonda of M/s Priyadarshini Cement Ltd. Andhra Pradesh.

  

Construction of dedicated Jetty for BPI Power Krishnapatnam, Nellore Distt. of Andhra Pradesh. 

  

 

  

Bhimili Beach Garnet Sand Project of M/s Indian Rare Earths Ltd. Andhra Pradesh.

  

3.

  

M/s Appolo Energy Co. Ltd., Delhi 

 

  

Dhamwari sunda Hydro-Electric Project, Himachal Pradesh. 

 

  

Hydro-treater Project of M/s IOC, Assam.

  

Construction of a Resort, village Devka, Daman of m/s Miramar Resorts Pvt. Ltd. Goa. 

 

  

Lignite Mine of m/s GMDC, Gujarat.

  

4.

  

M/s Reliance Salgocar Power Co. Ltd., Goa. 

 

  

UHL Hydro-electric Project, Himachal Pradesh.

  

Expansion of Barauni Refinery of M/s IOC, Bihar.

  

Construction of a Time Share Beach Resort of Mr. Darryl Pereira, Goa. 

  

 

  

Lignite Mine of M/s GMDC, Gujarat.

  

5.

  

Combined Cycled Power Project of M/s NTPC, Gujarat 

 

  

Khauli H.E. Project, Himachal Pradesh.

  

Vadinar-Kandla Product Pipeline of M/s IOC, Gujarat.

  

Construction of a Hotel Project, Mormugoa of M/s Nova Resort Pvt. Ltd. Goa. 

 

  

Lignite Mining Project of M/s GMDC, Gujarat.

  

6.

  

Akrimota Thermal Power Project of M/s Gujarat Mineral Development Corporation Ltd.

  

Poshir Dam Project, Maharashtra.

  

Hazira Fertilizer Projecst Phase-II of M/s KRIBHCO, Gujarat.

  

Construction of Hotel of M/s Sunset Resorts (P) Ltd., Goa.

  

Bauxite Mining Project of M/s Orient Abrasive Ltd., Gujarat.

  

7.

  

Ambalamugal Eranukulam of M/s Cochin Refineries Ltd., Kerala.

  

Malshej Ghat Pumped storage Scheme, Maharashtra.

  

Mangalore-Bangalore Product Pipeline Projct of M/s HPCL, Karnataka.

  

Construction of a Beach Resort by Mr. Grath D’Souza , Goa.

  

Kapildhara UG Coal Mine of M/s SECL, Madhya Pradesh.

  

8.

  

Minipur Heavy Fuel Power Plant of Govt. of Manipur Electricity Deptt. 

 

  

Chikhaldara Pumped Storage scheme,Maharashtra 

 

  

Foundry Unit of M/s DGP Hindoday Industries ltd. Maharashtra.

  

Construction of 100% Export oriented Scheme of M/s Mormugao Offshore Maritime Stockyard Ltd. & Berth, Goa.

  

Opencast Mine of M/s Jindal Strips Ltd. Madhya Pradesh.

  

9.

  

TPP at Hirma Distt. Of M/s CEPA, Orissa. 

 

  

Tuivai Hydro-electric Project, Mizoram.

  

Gasket Sheeting at Pune of M/s Uni Kilinger Ltd., Maharashtra.

  

Punjab Refinery Project, Bhatinda Distt. of Punjab SPM of the Coast of Mundara of M/s HPCL, Punjab. 

 

  

Lohara (East) Coal Mine of M/s ACC Ltd., Maharashtra.

  

10.

  

CPP for Aluminium Project of M/s Sterlite Industries Ltd., Orissa. 

 

  

Lower suktel Irriga-tion Project, Orissa.

  

Aluminium Smelter Project of M/s Sterlite Industries Ltd., Orissa.

  

Barge Mounted Power Project of M/s Smith Co-Generation (India) Pvt. Ltd., Karnataka. 

 

  

Lohara (West) Coal Mine of m/s Nippon Denro Ispat Ltd., Maharashtra.

  

11.

  

DG PP, Dabenheri Distt. Of M/s SIEL, Punjab. 

 

  

Lower Indra Irriga-tion Projct, Orissa.

  

Punjab Refinery of M/s HPCL, Punjab.

  

Establishment of a Maritime Operation room Communication Station and the Administrative Blocks at New Mangalore Port Trust of M/s Coast Guard., Karnataka. 

 

  

Pauni Open Cast Coal Mine of M/s WCL Maharashtra.

  

12.

  

PP at Phulo-khari Distt. Bhatinda, of M/s Hindustan Petroleum Corpn. Ltd., Punjab. 

 

  

Pipalpankha Dam Project, Orissa.

  

Alcohol Manufacturing Unit of M/s Vintage Distilleries Ltd. Rajasthan.

  

Construction of a Luxury Hotel in Kovalum Beach Resort Area of M/s Mini V. Jawahar (now residing in USA) Exemption from CRZ rules.

  

Captive Lime-stone Mine of M/s Orient Cements Ltd. Rajasthan,.

  

13.

  

CPP of M/s Tamil Nadu Chemicals Product Ltd., Tamil Nadu. 

 

  

Teesta H.E. Project Stage, V,NHPC, Sikkim.

  

Expansion of Steel Plant of M/s Sourthern Iron & Steel Co. Ltd. Tamil Nadu.

  

Worki-Bandra Links Road, Maharashtra

  

Barytes, china Clay and Quartz Mine of M/s Shiv Kumar Dewedi, Rajasthan.

  

14.

      

Expansion of Production capacity for manufacturing of Asbestos of M/s Rana Brakes Lining Ltd. 

 

  

Construction of Break water and other related activities for LNG Import Terminal & Dabhol, Maharashtra. 

 

  

Quartz and Fertilizer Mine of M/s B.N. Mining Co. Rajasthan.

  

15.

      

Production of Alloy Steel Casting of M/s Harihar Alloy Casting Pvt. Ltd. Tamil Nadu. 

 

  

Expansion of Abhishek Beach Resort of M/s Courtesy Hotels Pvt. Ltd. Maharashtra. 

 

  

Rampura-Agucha Mine Expansion of M/s Hindustan Zinc Ltd. Rajasthan.

  

16.

      

Gorakhpur Fertilizer Projct of M/s KRIBHCO, Uttar Pradesh. 

 

  

Construction of a Beach Resort of M/s Good Food Hotels Pvt. Ltd. Maharashtra. 

 

  

Heavy Minerals Kudiraimozhi Mine of M/s Indian Rare Earths Ltd., Tamil Nadu.

17.       

Grass roots Fertilizers Complex at Haldia of M/s Paharpur Fertilizers & Chemicals Ltd., West Bangal. 

 

  

Transporting Coal Cargo by Road from Mundra Jetty to nagothane Rail Siding for MSEB of M/s Esquire Oil Trade Pvt. Ltd. Maharashtra. 

 

  

Mine-1A Open Cast Mine of M/s Neyveli Lignite Corpn. Ltd. Tamil Nadu.

  

18.

      

Crude Oil Pipeline Project for Punjab Refinery of M/s HPCL, Punjab.

  

Construction of Mumbai -Nashik Expressway, Maharashtra.

 
  

19.

        

Construction of Mumbai -Talasari Expressway, Maharashtra.

 
  

20.

        

Construction of Mumbai-Sawantwadi Expressway (Phase-I) Mumbai to Mahad, Raigad, Maharashtra.

 
  

21.

        

Proposed Walkway and Promonides from the foot of Hanging Garden to Nepean Sea Road malabar Hill Citizen’s Forum, Maharashtra. 

 

 
  

22.

        

Hotel Complex of Summer Resort at Kodaikanal, of M/s Ferani Hotels Ltd. Tamil Nadu.

 
  

23.

        

Garnet Mining Project of M/s V.V. Minerals, Tamil Nadu. 

 

 
  

24.

        

Propylene Import Terminal, Cuddalore of M/s Tamil Nadu Products Ltd., Tamil Nadu. 

 

 
  --------------8812781ED5C80668A5C66CE3-- From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02008; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:10:05 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA06839; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:26:10 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 39373 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67724-23528>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:53:40 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13774; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA20545; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyder-con.com.au ([203.108.113.51]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA23844 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by hyder-con.com.au(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 4A2566BE.00088DD2 ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:33:25 +1000 Message-Id: <4A2566BD.00822A56.00@hyder-con.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:38 +1000 Reply-To: Glen.Ingram@hyder-con.com.au Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Glen.Ingram@hyder-con.com.au To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Birdsong and conservation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: bittu@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in X-Cc: nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.edu X-Lotus-FromDomain: AUSTRALIA X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO As regards Bittu Sahgal's letter. Some of the best work I have seen on the effect of noise on wildlife has been done by consultants. That was because a client wanted to know the information. As too the Golden Bowerbird work, it is difficult to comment on it from newspaper and television reports, but the conclusions seem confusing. Firstly, are the calls of the bird important in recognising mates? If they aren't, then what is the significance of the observations? Allopatric populations will have differences in many characters just by historical "sampling error". Secondly, if the calls are important for recognition of mates, why aren't the populations different species? It means the populations cannot exchange genes. If they are different species, then this will be a case of normal vertebrate species conservation. Even so, such vertebrate studies are usually expensive and redundant for conservation. To justify conserving rainforest patches, one does not need to do studies on bird calls. If the patches of rainforest - where the different Golden Bowerbirds were recorded - were also examined for their invertebrate fauna ,there would be many different sister species, even genera and families that would tell you the same thing. We have found this again and again with snails and isopods. The vertebrate brush is usually too broad a brush to be of use in small scale biogeography. But people do get carried away when it actually can be a finer brush, as in this case. Don't get me wrong. The bowerbird results are stunningly interesting! If there is a lesson from invertebrate survey it is this. The conservation picture gathered from vertebrate data is indeed depressing: but it is positively cheery compared to the situation gleaned from surveys of invertebrates, which usually subdivide habitats even more In Queensland, Australia, for example, we have many isolated patches of dry rainforest, full of endemic invertebrates, and uninteresting vertebrate-wise. It only takes a mad farmer an hour with a bulldozer to clear these patches. And they do, And no one cares. That is because conservation is actually based upon the broadbrush of vertebrate data, which encourages a relative complacency. A surprising and depressing conclusion. Alas, your situation in India will be even worse than most people think. Glen Ingram Hyder Consulting Brisbane, Australia From WATERPUBS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Tue Nov 17 10:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01372 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:45:11 +0530 Received: from pyxis.rtpnc.epa.gov by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA14032; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:30:00 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from mr.rtpnc.epa.gov by mail.rtpnc.epa.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #19333) id <01J48WI09DVK8ZDY3W@mail.rtpnc.epa.gov> for cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:56:24 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:52:00 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta CARINA; Relayed; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:52:00 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: GROUP WATERPUBS 202-260-7786 Subject: November 1998 Water Resource Center Monthly Update To: remote Addressee <70252.2163@compuserve.com>, Alan.Fortner@noaa.gov, 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From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 17 11:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02012; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:10:15 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA06824; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:25:27 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 39094 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68045-23525>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:53:14 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13372; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA20274; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA06048 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 03:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 202.54.6.1 (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05266 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:27:03 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19981115141535.4017f24e@202.54.6.1> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:27:03 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: zooreach@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: "Sally Walker, Z.O.O./CBSG, India/ARNIZE" To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Questionable re-introductions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: zooreach@202.54.6.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Is anyone aware of the following proposed reintroductions 1. The "reintroduction" or introduction of captive Barasingha from Lucknow Zoo to Jaldapara Wildlife Sanctuary by the Forest Department of West Bengal. 2. The "reintroduction" of the famous t.v. watching leopard of recent newspaper fame back to the wild after spending a couple or three weeks in a zoo. If so, why hasn't anyone said anything about it on this network? If not, let me propose a couple of questions about things I am not sure about and/or am too lazy to research. Regarding reintroduction or introduction of barasingha to Jaldapara, is Jaldapara a historical range of barasingha ? Is it not the case that ungulates (such as deer) which have been exposed to and possibly (probably) even have t.b. stand a very good chance of passing it on to other ungulates (such as rhinos)? There are many other questions but I am relatively sure of those answers. Regarding returning of the leopard to the forest, does it seem sensible that a wild leopard which had sufficient confidence and inclination to enter a house and relax on a bed (whether watching t.v. or merely giving that impression!) which was then captured and kept in a zoo for several weeks is a fit candidate for returning to a wild area in Rajasthan. This question is predicated on the presumption that there may not be any wild areas which are sufficiently removed from human habitation to provide sufficient discouragement of such a leopard. My suspicion is that this leopard might even have been a pet at some time. Maybe this is known now but I have not heard it. I do know for a fact that the animal has been requested to be handed over from the zoo to the forest department for release back to the wild. I have a little more information on the barasingha project but that's all I know about the leopard. I must confess that my hands are tied on the barasingha issue because I was a member of the Central Zoo Authority Technical Committee which decided that the animals could be spared from the Lucknow Zoo. I objected but the extent of my achievement was in getting the number of animal reduced to 7 from a much larger number. I have complained on seeing that the project was really going to happen but my complaints have drawn a reply reminding me that I was on the committee. That doesn't tell the story but it does prevent me from doing more howling. Would anyone out there be interested in following this up. I hate to be obstructive to any new initiative but this one seems so full of problems and I am too familiar with how such problems are glossed over when someone wants to complete a sexy new project. With my very best wishes, -- please note change in phone & fax nos. Sally Walker Zoo Outreach Organisation/Conservation Breeding Specialist Group, CBSG, India Asian Regional Network of International Zoo Educators Box 1683, Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu 640 004 India Phones 91 422 563 159; 561 087 Fax 91 422 563 269 Our Websites are all "in process" but you may like to check them out anyway: 1. CBSG, India : CAMP PHVA Results -- http://members.xoom.com/ZOOIndia//PROPRULE/TDD/TDD_Phs1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet 2. ZOO, ZOOS' PRINT, ZOO ZEN -- http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/6883/TDD_Phs1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet 3. History of Zoos and Nat Hist in India http://members.tripod.com/~SPHOZANHIvines/6883/TDD_Phs1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet 4. About Sally Walker personally and the Asian Regional Network of International Zoo Educators http://members.tripod.com/~SallyANHIvines/6883/TDD_Phs1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet Walker From jp@ces.iisc.ernet.in Tue Nov 17 15:18:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (jp@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02076 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:17:46 +0530 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:17:46 +0530 (IST) From: Janardanan Pillai To: all@ces.iisc.ernet.in Subject: HAM radio/internet talk (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Dr.K.S.Sangunni sez: >From sangu@physics.iisc.ernet.in Mon Nov 16 17:08:58 1998 Message-Id: <36500E8D.B058F225@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:07:50 +0530 From: "Dr.K.S.Sangunni" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gopi K Garge Subject: HAM radio/internet talk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is going to be a talk on ham radio and internet followd by a demo. Please broadcast the following message regards sangunni Subject : INTERNET AND HAM RADIO Speaker: Mr.M.Agarwal (VU2 WAP ) 17th Tuesday at 5 PM NCSI auditorium followed by a demonstration The most popular and exciting way for Ham Radio operators interested in DX'ing (working the world) to exchange DX related information is through internet! The following is the general info about the talk. One station is set up with Packet Cluster and is linked to one or more other stations who have installed the software. These nodes when connected, are called a cluster. Individual users connect to the nodes on a particular frequency, different from what the node stations are linked on. 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(Engineer Suggested to replace some PARTS) Excepting your cooperation CHAIRMAN/LIBRARIAN From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Tue Nov 17 20:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06746 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:34 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id RAA02543; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:43:45 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.B0B0EB57@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:37 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1989739 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:35 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.AF3DC150@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:35 +0100 Received: from dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se (dialup202-3-54.swipnet.se [130.244.202.182]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17887 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:13:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE122B.718E56C0@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:09:01 +0100 Encoding: 26 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE122B.718E56C0@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:05:13 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : composting dead animals To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Jacky Foo has the group thought of sieving the original compost first so that separated tissue and skin can be returned for further composting ? Time is an important factor in the reduction of pathogens during composting. I have seen a chart before and remember that it can take up 2 or more years for natural inactivation of cysts. regards jacky >From: Tracey Takeuchi >I am involved with a group that has mentioned that they are "composting" >dead sheep. I suggested concern over the incomplete decomposition and >potential for pathogens that could be spread as a result. Most use the >composted material as broadcast fertilizer to their sheep pastures. The >composting is incomplete because they have encountered tissue such >as fat and skin. > >Could you direct me to sufficient information to present them that would >uphold my concern? Or perhaps to information that could aide them in the >complete composting of this material so as to reduce pathogens? From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Tue Nov 17 20:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06747 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:34 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id RAA02525; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:43:25 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.AF5DCA63@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:35 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1989733 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:32 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.ADBCBBD8@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:14:32 +0100 Received: from dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se (dialup202-3-54.swipnet.se [130.244.202.182]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17826; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:13:19 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE122B.6F6D99A0@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:08:57 +0100 Encoding: 35 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE122B.6F6D99A0@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:22:07 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Crest Chicken Limited Fiji Comments: cc: "William.Chute@goodmanfielder.com.au" To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ---forwarded From: Jacky Foo Asifo Ajuyah wrote: Nov 11th: >....how to efficiently handle the waste from their >abattoir that currently process 25,000 broiler chickens per day >with the following waste:- >water = 8 gallons per bird per day. >solid = 5% per bird per day Nov 13, you wrote: >At the final stage or end of the day CC is left with approximately 3000 >tons of solids made up of the following - feet, head, feathers, gut and gut >contents from 25,000 broiler chickens plus between 318200 to 454600 litres >of wash water. there is a significant difference in the information you provided on Nov 11 and Nov 13: 8 gallons (3.8 liters = 1 gallon) per bird (30.4 liters) x 25,000 birds will give 760,000 liters. If 1 bird weighs 1.5 kg, 25000 birds will be 37,500 kg and if the carcass weight is 75 % (i.e. 25 % waste), solids will be 9,375 kg per day. comments: (1) 3000 tons waste solids per day seems very wrong. (2) 30.4 litres (or 15 liters) of wash water per bird is certainly too wasteful. (3) what does CC do with 25,000 chicken per day ? it is for export ! regards Jacky From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Tue Nov 17 20:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06749 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:35 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA03311; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:54:29 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.294412DB@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:19:41 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2002195 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:19:38 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.27510623@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:19:37 +0100 Received: from dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se (dialup63-3-13.swipnet.se [130.244.63.141]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00717 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:18:24 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE123C.E69C6720@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:13:58 +0100 Encoding: 201 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE123C.E69C6720@dialup162-3-41.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:00:23 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEN : experiment with Table 12 To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: BUI XUAN MEN Dear Jacky, I very apologize you for answering your questions too late, because I only received your messages on files (5!) two days ago. I don't know why my mail-address having problems??? On message of 4 Nov you wrote: >>A total of 800 crossbred Cherry Valley ducklings were >>brooded and trained to scavenge from 1-28 days of age >>in the farmer households of a hamlet of Cantho province. >>After brooding the ducks were divided into 4 flocks with >>190 ducks in each and were herded and managed by >>4 farmer households. > >Q: what do you do with dead ducklings ? The farmers usually boil any dead birds and give to either their pigs or fish in the ponds. >Q: how does one train a duckling to scavenge ? Even from 3 days to one week of age the ducklings have a natural instinct to scavenge. The farmer simply herds the young birds to a suitable area. >>The ducks were let loose in rice fields post harvest from >>6.00 h to 17.30 h daily. There were 3 supplemental diets: >>- 50 g/day of a mixture of broken rice and dried fish meal >> (BFM) for flock 1, >>- 50 g/day broken rice (BR) for flock 2 >>- and 20 g dried fish meal (FM) for flock 3 >>and compared to >>- no supplementary feed (S0) for flock 4 (control). >>These diets were given to the ducks from 28 to 70 days of age >>and given in the evening. > >The results are very interesting. The cost of of feed per kg gain is 5139 >VD for Flock 1 with final average liveweight of 1.855 kg per duck while it >is only 2446 VD for Flock 4 with a final average liveweight of 1.592 kg per >duck. So it seems to me that you are making more money with Flock 4 (i.e. >without supplementary feed). > >Q: Could you provide some figures based net profits from the full plumage >Flock 1 ducks and Flock 4 ducks. First, I confused typing 'feed cost/kg gain' instead of right words 'feed cost/gain'. Even 'feed cost/gain' of treatment 3 (FM) must be typed 4457 instead of 34457. Flock 1: Lwt. sale price/bird = 1.855kg x 10500VND/kg =19477 VND 28-day duckling price/bird = 7600 VND; Cost feed/gain = 5139 Net benefit = 19477-(7600+5139) = 6738 VND Flock 4: Lwt. Sale price/bird = 1.592kg x 9000 = 14328 VND Net benefit/bird = 14328-(7600+2446) = 4282 VND >My understanding is however incomplete since I dont fully understand: >>The flock 1 ducks began moulting at 63 days of age, >>while flock 4 still had the original plumage at 70 days >>of age. Ducks with full plumage sold at a higher price >>(12%) than those in flock 4. However, all four flocks >>were in much better condition than flocks fed and >>managed by the traditional methods of the farmers >>in the hamlet. . > >Q: Flock 1 shed their original feathers at 63 days of age and "full >plumage" would mean that because of their second set of feathers, they sell >for 12 % higher price. How old are the ducks at this stage ? Consumers like to buy the ducks (crossbred) at 63 days of age with their full plumage (ducks fed enough food) because it is easy to pick their feathers when the ducks slaughtered. On the other hand, the carcass of ducks cooked will give good tastes. From 63 days afterward the ducks will partially moult their feathers, and they slowly grow, too. Also, it is difficult to pick their new feathers because of very small and short. >Q: how old do Flock 4 ducks need to be to attain the same "full plumage" ? 75-80 days of age. >>..were in much better condition than flocks fed and >>managed by the traditional methods of the farmers >>in the hamlet. > >what is the traditional method(s) ? Use of local feeds (several fresh raw materials) to feed ducks, sometimes the diets imbalanced Herding the ducks in the fields for scavenging Use most of indigenous breeds or crossbred ones >>Over the same time period and with >>the same breed reared, several local farmers finished >>their ducks at 75 days of age, with average live weights >>from only 1.2 to 1.3 kg and with poor quality carcases. > >The final liveweight of a duck from the Flock 4 was 1.592 kg when allowed >to scavenge on rice fields after harvest where else other 75 day old ducks >reared by local farmers reach only 1.2-1.3 kg. > >why is this so ? How different is the rearing system of local farmers and >scavenging on post-harvest rice fields? The ducks were lacked of foods at the flood time Infected some diseases and high mortality (some flocks up to 10%!) No supplements to the ducks. The poor has not enough money for investments Managing and herding the ducks were limited by rainy season >As I found your research paper most interesting, I have more >questions.....some of them seek more information for better understand of >the situation in Vietnam and I hope that this will foster better >international appreciation of the work done by Mr. Men and his group. > >Table 4 in your paper >(http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/men/paper.htm1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet), you looked at the >estimates of feed costs for Experiment 1. Your experiments were set up >with 5 groups of ducks so that you could replace progressively (30, 45, 60 >and 100 %) the use of roasted soyabeans with duckweed. > >It was interesting to note that when duckweed is purchased, there was >little or no savings in replacing soyabean with purchased duckweed. In fact >it actually proved to be more expensive using duckweed except for the case >with 100 % replacement (11,589 VD per kg gain for no replacement). However >when duckweed was grown by the farmer whereby you assumed that labour was, >there was savings made; with 100 % replacement of roasted soyabean, you got >a saving of 5091 VD per kg gain by the ducks or 78 % savings. The 6,498 VD >costs goes to the costs of broken rice, premix and salt. I am trying to determine how much of labour may be required by a duck farmer and how much of land is needed to cultivate the duckweed. >In experiment 1 , with complete replacement of roasted soyabean, you need >566 g/day per duck. Suppose a farmer has 200 ducks, this means you need >113.2 kg per day. Rodriguez et al's paper provided yield potentials of 100 >g/m2/day duckweed freshweight. This means that you will need 1132 m2 water >surface alone to grow the needed duckweed for 200 ducks. Of course this >space also serves as an area for the absorption of wastes from the ducks >and therefore has a pollution control value. The productive value of this >land as a producer of duckweed, as extrapolated from the results of >Experiment 1 (assuming 4 flocks of 200 ducks per year) would be about 5.6 >million VD (1.8 x 78% x 5000 VD x 200 ducks x 4 flocks) (or 510 USD). >Though internationally, 510 USD is not much, I dont know what is the value >to a duck farmer. A useful comparative value is to find out what the 1132m2 >piece of farm land would cost in the Mekong Delta. > >My question is therefore: how many duck farmers (households) with a target >of 200 ducks flock will have about a plot of 2000 m2 land for their home >and to raise the ducks ? Many farmers with more or less 200 ducks flock in a homestead of more or less 2000 square meter land. We can not count/survey all of them! Even the farmers intended to raise 200 ducks, for example, but they could flexibly change their target in any time if they feel to get more or less benefits in different seasons. The duck producers raise their ducks with numbers of more or less 200 heads depend on marketing commands and their investment ability if they think of getting more benefits. Ducks are very easy to raise than other poultry. Some farmers they can raise up to 1000 crossbred ducks in a pond-garden area of 2000m2 land and finish them for over 2 months of age by feeding ducks with a mash, especially in dry season when a price of ducks sold with a high price (sometimes price of meat ducks was 1.5 times higher than those produced in other season). At present, there is a very common status being many households raise around 10-50 ducks (Muscovy/common ducks) in their pond-gardens and feed the ducks by local feeds to get products (meat/eggs) for their home consumption and cash. If any investment limited the raisers can grow duckweed to replace partially or completely protein feed in their duck diets. A 1000m2 area of pond water surface grown duckweed and reasonably enriched by effluent or wastewater can produce enough supplement protein for 200 young crossbred ducks in the Mekong Delta condition. Duckweed is grown commonly in waste water ponds of the Mekong Delta now! >How much time would it take for a farmer to harvest the duckweed twice a >day ? Depending on amounts of duckweed the farmer wants to gather, around 40-60 minutes for 80-100kg fresh duckweed. >What is the average number of ducks a farmer would have in order to make it >a livelihood.? 200 crossbred ducks for meat in each batch or 100 laying ducks for eggs Best Regards Bui Xuan Men Cantho University, VN; E-mail bxmen@ctu.edu.vn From root@zappa.fie.com Tue Nov 17 20:38:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06771 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:37:16 +0530 Received: from zappa.fie.com by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id RAA01281; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:28:23 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from root@localhost) by zappa.fie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA14062 for cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:32:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:32:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199811170832.DAA14062@zappa.fie.com> To: cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in From: "FEDIX Opportunity Alert" Subject: 1 New Opportunity Reply-To: "FEDIX Opportunity Alert" Precedence: alert-service X-Timestamp: Tue Nov 17 03:32:19 EST 1998 X-FOA-Id: 46318 X-FOA-Pin: 2506 Status: RO Today's FEDIX OPPORTUNITY ALERT!!! search has found 1 opportunity that matches your Personal Interests Profile. Enclosed below are the first 20 lines of each matching opportunity. To view the complete text, go to the URL listed immediately below the announcement. ======================= Item 1 of 1 ======================= TITLE: EPA/NSF PARTNERSHIP FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH - NSF > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Interagency Announcement > of Opportunity for Grants in > Decision-making and Valuation For Environmental Policy > > CLOSING DATE: February 1, 1999 > > ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY > NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION > > 1.0 INTRODUCTION > The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Science > Foundation (NSF) announce their intent to continue to support an > extramural grants program in fundamental environmental research in > Fiscal Year (FY) 1999. This EPA/NSF competition has been developed > based on a Memorandum of Understanding between the agencies which > establishes a partnership emphasizing the support and merit > review of fundamental environmental research. This is the fifth year of > the joint special awards competition. Information on awards made in the > FY 1995 through 1998 competitions may be found on the Internet through: > http://www.nsf.gov.edu/proceedings/icibs/men/paper.htm1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet or > http://www.epa.gov/NCERQA.ceedings/icibs/men/paper.htm1.pdf/w2220anet/sasianet > > The four research areas targeted this year are: > > Water and Watersheds URL : http://web.fie.com/htdoc/usoa/nsf/any/any/proc/any/nsf9914.htm220anet/sasianet Matching Keywords : Environmental Protection Agency ----- PS/ps:46318 From bidyut@wii.gov.in Tue Nov 17 20:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06790 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:37:50 +0530 Received: from s1.wii.gov.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id NAA08719; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:00:26 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from wii.gov.in ([192.9.206.143]) by s1.wii.gov.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 293; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:53:09 +0530 Message-ID: <36512743.71149623@wii.gov.in> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:05:32 +0530 From: "Dr. B.K.Mishra" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in, cestvr@hamsadvani.serc.iisc.ernet.in Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO My Dear Ramachandra, Many thanks for sending me the reprints of your publications. They are quite useful. Please do keep me informed about your research work. Thanks once again for your co-operation. With good wishes and regards, B.K.Mishra From owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Tue Nov 17 21:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07510; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:49:04 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id VAA13300; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:45:52 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from helios.ulpgc.es (helios.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.10]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA06847; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:41:18 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08190 for fish-ecology-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:27:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: helios.ulpgc.es: majordom set sender to owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es using -f Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08185 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:27:44 GMT Received: from fwd11.btx.dtag.de (fwd11.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.171]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0zfiOs-0004zp-00; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:30:22 +0100 Received: (333100000870-0003(btxid)@[193.159.49.197]) by fwd11.btx.dtag.de id ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:30:09 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:30:09 +0100 To: fish-ecology@helios.ulpgc.es Subject: ISA X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: 333100000870-0003@t-online.de From: Floecksmuehle@t-online.de (Floecksmuehle) Sender: owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Floecksmuehle@t-online.de (Floecksmuehle) Status: RO Dear list members, I'm seeking for information concerning a fish disease which affects salmon called ISA (infectious salmon anemia) for a colleague fisheries biologist. Special fields of interest are: - ways of infection - clinical picture Any info such as internet addresses, literature references, contact people & addresses etc. would help! Many thanks for your help in advance. Regards from Germany, Marq -------------------------------------------------- # Dipl.-Ing. Marq Redeker # Ingenieurbüro Floecksmühle # Bachstraße 62-64, 52066 Aachen, Germany -------------------------------------------------- # Dipl.-Ing. Marq Redeker # Ingenieurbüro Floecksmühle # Bachstraße 62-64, 52066 Aachen, Germany ******************************************************************** To unsubscribe: send an email to Majordomo@helios.ulpgc.es with the command line 'unsubscribe fish-ecology your@email.here' (without the quotations). Majordomo is case sensitive. If you have problems to unsubscribe or other queries you may reach the FE-tream at : fish-ecology-request@helios.ulpgc.es Thank you ******************************************************************** From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Tue Nov 17 22:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07609 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:05:33 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA14725; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:02:08 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15420; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:11:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14853 for bioenergy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: fromecc@rmplc.co.uk Received: from default (stingray-filt-30.rmplc.co.uk [194.154.10.158]) by mx1.rmplc.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA20192 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <36517DA3.5F11@rmplc.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:44:04 +0000 Reply-To: fromecc@rmplc.co.uk Organization: Frome Community College X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bioenergy@crest.org Subject: wood chip burners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Sirs, I am a sixth form student at Frome Community College in Somerset UK. I have urgent need of any information on biofuels especially wood chip burners to produce an alternative energy source. I need this information by Thursday 19th November (or as soon as possible!!!!) Please e-mail me with any information to the following e-mail address: mike_evans2@hotmail.com Thanking you in advance for your help. Chris Denness Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/tm220anet/sasianet From cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in Tue Nov 17 22:37:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from cestvr@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA07937; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:33:17 +0530 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:33:17 +0530 From: "Dr. T.V. Ramachandra" Message-Id: <199811171703.WAA07937@ces.iisc.ernet.in> To: bidyut@wii.gov.in, cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in, cestvr@hamsadvani.serc.iisc.ernet.in Subject: Re: (no subject) Status: RO Dear Dr.Bidyut Thank you for your mail. I am sorry I forgot to inform you after mailing some of my latest publications. Other areas which are covered are - GIS, wetlands and image analyses. Wetlands there are few conference papers, I shall mail them after some time. As per your suggestions I have forwarded two applications of my group members for wetlands training (Mr.Kiran and Ms.Deepa). Is it possible for you to inform me whether these candidates are selcted for the proposed training? with warm regards sincerely tvr From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 23:38:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08322 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:28:42 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA23772; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:25:07 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA21775; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811171630.LAA21775@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: "Jan Wyllie" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: [GKD] Y2K: Latest Y2K intelligence bulletin Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:24:10 -0000 Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO January 1997 - "Content analysis suggests that as people become more knowledgeable about the Y2K problem and its complexity, they become more alarmed". Trend Monitor, 'The Millennium Reckoning', November 1998 - "As companies and organisations begin tackling the computer bomb, they find the situation worse, more complicated and more expensive than they expected." Geoff Unwin, VP, Cap Gemini (Software development giant) Some of you may recall that I shared a digest of Trend Monitor's findings and scenarios on the subject of Y2K with the people of this list in April 1997. What we anticipated then is coming to pass now. So I thought it might be useful at this point to contribute our latest intelligence digest on the subject (which follows). For those of you who need to obtain a quick understanding update of the why's, wherefore's and wider implications of this unbelievable flow of events, we will email you our July 1998 intelligence bulletin *free*. All you have to do is email LEE at sales@trendmon.demon.co.uk, subject, 'Y2K Intelligence bullet'. Please say who you are and whether you want it in the form of ascii email, .html attachment (for a Web browser) or .rtf attachment (for any Word Processing package). You can make as many copies (electronic or print) as you like to put your friends and colleagues into the picture, too. NOVEMBER 1998 - INTELLIGENCE BULLETIN Overview of latest findings The Y2K computer trouble is increasinglyly liable to have serious economic, social and environmental consequences, as compliance programmes fall further and further behind schedule. When we started monitoring this topic more than three years ago, it was already well-known in software engineering circles that the testing of software fixes was going to be by far the the most difficult and time consuming task of all. Already companies are having to admit that even according to their most optimistic assumptions that adequate testing will not be possible in the time left. Most recently, reports are starting to appear saying that already hard-pressed Y2K remediation budgets are being cut back because of falling revenues resulting from the global economic crisis. Meanwhile, in the US many companies are characterised as hiding problems in their Y2K programmes because of fears of how such knowledge would affect their stock prices, not to mention the confidence of their customers and their suppliers. Another impediment to sharing knowledge about Y2K is that companies are being strongly advised by their lawyers to keep their experience of Y2K remediation projects confidential so as not to expose themselves to lawsuits. In the US and the UK where preparations are among the furthest advanced, even in the areas of basic infrastructural services, such as water and electricity, there is no certainty that continuity of service will be possible, especially considering the incidence of software project delays and the ubiquity of embedded processors which regulate time dependent functions. Reports from within the oil industry emphasise the enormity and complexity of the problems faced, especially in terms of finding, replacing and testing of an almost uncountable number of embedded processors. There is anecdotal evidence that behind the PR gloss, responsible staff are overwhelmed by the complexity of the tasks involved in fixing the problem, testing the changes made both internally and throughout their network of suppliers and customers. Financial institutions are among the furthest advanced in Y2K remediation and contingency planning in the US and the UK. In Europe because of the emphasis on the Euro conversion, financial institutions are lagging far behind their US and UK competitors. Indeed in some circles, Y2K compliance is beginning to be seen as a major strategic advantage in an industry in which rapid consolidation has become a grim necessity. In the US, a self-organising, grass-roots movement aimed at community "resilience" and sustainability in the face of the Y2K threat is mushrooming all over the country. The perception among this fast growing movement is that governments are colluding with business to keep the public unaware of the full picture either because they do not understand the systemic nature of the problem or to protect their image of being in control. The justitification of this policy is to prevent panic. Content analysis suggests that Continental Europe is between a year and 18 months behind the US and six months to a year behind the UK, both in terms of Y2K public awareness and remedial action. Japan, China and East Asia are seen as being more than two years behind. In these countries, the importance of contingency planning will soon be greater than trying to fix the computer trouble. The upside, though, is that they will be able to save on the astronomical costs reprogramming computers and replacing chips. Policy implications The main implication of this analysis for European, East Asian and "Third World" countries is that the time frame for creating both public awareness of the significance of the trouble and for taking remediation action will be even shorter than in the US and the UK. Contingency planning is a much more immediate priority. As the deadline date approaches, the policy of spurious re-assurance will inevitably become increasingly untenable. Since in many cases, it is simply too late to guarantee that the problems will be fixed, businesses and communities will have to start preparing immediately for anticipated consequences. Governments will have to be seen to be doing something to help people prepare themselves on a local level at least to have the best possible chance of surviving relatively unscathed. The Y2K community sustainability movement in the US is already acting to make people aware of means of ensuring their most basic needs, such as food and water. As a result, there is unprecedented growth in the market for sustainability aids, from non hybrid seeds to solid fuel stoves. (There are massive investment opportunities here!) "Third World" countries with least dependency on computerised systems and the highest proportion of agriculutral self-sufficient people will have an advantage. Of all the arms of government, the military knows by far the most about both basic survival skills and delivery logistics. In the US and the UK, the military (and the postal service) enjoy much more trust, than politicians, the police and businessmen. It is therefore logical that the military and its knowledge be used to assist in local community contingency planning. Great care would have to be taken to prevent the military being seen as "taking over". However, if the military is seen to act in a professional service role (helping with the planning of emergency food rationing and distribution systems, for example), it could make itself both very useful and very popular. The first priorty, though, must be a public intelligence campaign, outlining what is at stake and the atmosphere of radical uncertainty which surrounds the issue. This intelligence should include a knowledgebase on local sustainability options, including relevant products and skills directories. On the premise that the antidote to panic is action, this campaign would have to be launched with a local sustainability action process in which people indentify their most basic needs and make plans cooperatively to fullfill them. Assuring local food supplies is liable to be the most crucial issue of all. It is even possible that because of anticipated problems with bank liquidity, money may not be available as a means of allocating food. All these very plausible scenarios must be studied. Intelligence needs First, top politicians and decision makers need a comprehensive understanding and continually updated intelligence on not just the technical issues, but on how business, government, communities and individual people are preparing to meet the challenges of the compounded risks of the Millennium timebomb and the global economic crisis. Trend Monitor has already collected and analysed the best Y2K published sources, including key computer conferences on community remediation using classical content analysis qualitative research methodology. A sample of a two-year old content analysis on Y2K which was last updated in July 1998 is available free in both (very pretty and user friendly) hypertext (html) and "printoutable" (rtf) form. Up-to-the-minute analysis, trends and scenarios are available for immediate commissioning. Trend Monitor also has the know-how contacts and the links to build a state-of-the-art sustainanility knowledgebase in a form which could be used intuitively by any literate person. (c) Trend Monitor, November 2, 1998 (Permission is given to copy this document and its attachment, so long as no charge is paid.) ************************************************ Jan Wyllie Trend Monitor "The Information Refinery" 3 Tower Street, Portsmouth Hants. PO1 2JR, UK Tel: 44 (0)1705 864714 Email: jan@trendmon.demon.co.uk Web: www.trendmon.demon.co.uk "only what you need to know" From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 23:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08387 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:45:40 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA25206; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:42:19 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA22556; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:03:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811171703.MAA22556@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:00:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Global Knowledge Dev. Moderator" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: [GKD] Y2K: What is to be done? Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Dear GKD Members, The discussion of Y2K thus far has been extremely rich and interesting (if somewhat disconcerting), and offered a wide range of views regarding the potential impacts. Based on the interchange thus far, we would like to pose some pointed questions to panelists and members: * What actual, concrete approaches have been taken -- by you or others -- to reduce the negative impact of the Y2K bug? * The theory of "Critical Success Factors" holds that organizations have to do a lot of things, but only 3-5 of those things are critical to success. What are the 3-5 Critical Success Factors (CSFs) for reducing the negative impact of the Y2K bug, and enhancing the likelihood of a smooth transition? * Given those CSFs, what concrete steps should businesses, NGOs and government agencies be taking? * What concrete steps should individuals take to prepare themselves for the possible impact of the Y2K bug? Thanks and best regards, The Moderators From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 23:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08381 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:42:30 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA24860; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:39:05 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA22113; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:43:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811171643.LAA22113@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:26:12 +0000 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: "Patrick O'Beirne" Subject: [GKD] Y2K: Embedded systems Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Just as an antidote to the embedded glooms: from <http://gartner11.gartnerweb.com/public/static/aboutgg/pressrel/testimonysianet 1098.html> Embedded Systems Embedded systems will have limited effect on Year 2000 problems, and we will see a minimal number of failures from these devices. Only 1 in 100,000 free-standing microcontroller chips are likely to fail due to Year 2000. A small percentage of real-time clock-driven chips are affected, but these failures will be a small percentage of the non-embedded system failures. The key issues concerning embedded chip failures are 1) very few will fail, and 2) of those that fail, the majority will fail right at the millennium, and the majority of these will only fail once - if they are active when the clock ticks over. Embedded chips used for key infrastructure processes, life support systems, and other critical processes should be checked and verified by the manufacturer of the equipment, due to the potential severity and potential result of such a failure. There have been postings to the year2000 mail list on various industrial assessments, but finding them is difficult in the megabytes of stuff I have ("embedded" is too weak a key word). If I come across them, I'll re-post. ------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick O'Beirne B.Sc. M.A. MICS. Year 2000 & euro Consultant PSP, TickIT, Y2K PC software assessment, euro(EMU) conversion http://www.iol.ie/sysmodweb.com/public/static/aboutgg/pressrel/testimonysianet Tel: +353 (0)55 22294 Fax: 22297 Systems Modelling Ltd, Tara Hill, Gorey, Co. Wexford, IRELAND From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 23:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08379 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:41:14 +0530 Received: from uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA24774; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:38:00 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from tristram.edc.org (tristram.edc.org [155.38.10.11]) by uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA17497 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:41:05 +0530 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA21307; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811171615.LAA21307@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:09:10 -0500 (EST) To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: Jacqueline Dubow Subject: [GKD] Y2K: World Bank's infoDev Y2K initiatives Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Dear GKD members, I wanted to provide information about the World Bank's efforts related to helping countries to address the Y2K problem. Through its Information for Development Program (infoDev), the World Bank has developed a major Y2K initiative. Within this initiative infoDev has organized about 20 international awareness-raising seminars since June 1998. There is also a grant program, to which about 50 countries have applied. In addition, infoDev has developed a Y2K toolkit, which will be available on the Internet in the coming days. The World Bank's infoDev Y2K program consists of the following activities: * infoDev Y2K seminars As the first phase of the infoDev initiative, a series of national two-day seminars were held to clarify country priority issues and are supposed to lay the groundwork for national Y2K strategies. On the first day, these involve high-level decision makers to generate awareness and support at the highest political level. On the second day technical managers work on a Y2K plan. They used the infoDev Y2K Tool Kit and presentations fo best practices and reference models to launch a national Y2K program. Y2K seminars were held in Abidjan, Addis Abbaba, Almaty, Bogota, Cairo, San Salvador, Yaounde, among other capital cities. Additional seminars will be held in 1998. * infoDev Y2K Tool Kit The Took Kit was developed for infoDev to provide a resource to governments for understanding the implications of the Year 2000 problem, for assessing the risks and possible strategies for managing the risk, and for supporting potentional government action including development of a national plan, and establishing a Year 2000 organistion. The Tool Kit also provides resources for conducting inventories, risk assessments, contingency planning, vendor management, check lists and references to other relevent sources of information. The Tool Kit will be available on the World Bank's website as of next week: <http://www.worldbank.org/infodev/y2kic/static/aboutgg/pressrel/testimonysianet>. * infoDev Y2K Grants The World Bank provides a range of grants to governments of developing countries to support their efforts to tackle the Y2K problem. Planning Grants will support the development/improvement of National Action Plans to deal with the Year 2000 Problem. Maximum size for a planning grant will be US$100,000. Implementation Grants will support remediation, testing and evaluation of targeted systems, ideally conducted under a National Year 2000 Action Plan. Maximum size for an implementation grant will be US$500,000. Guidelines for grant applications can be found at: <http://www.worldbank.org/infodev/y2kguide.htm/aboutgg/pressrel/testimonysianet>. * Y2k Electronic Discussion Lists The World Bank is hosting three discussion lists (one in English, one French, one Spanish); you can subscribe at the following URLs: http://lyris.bellanet.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=y2kinfodev-eng-cl&text_modeet [english] http://lyris.bellanet.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=y2kinfodev-fr-cl&text_modeeet [french] http://lyris.bellanet.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=y2kinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet [spanish] For more information on the initiative or additional Y2K resources in English, French and Spanish please check the infoDev web site: http://www.worldbank.org/infodevs/lyris.pl?enter=y2kinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. E-mail: Jdubow@worldbank.org. Tel: +1 202-458-5445. Best regards, Jacqueline Dubow infoDev World Bank From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Tue Nov 17 23:57:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08443 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:49:39 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA25531; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:46:15 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA21923; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:35:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811171635.LAA21923@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:32:24 -0800 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: Michael Robin Subject: [GKD] Y2K: ISOC on the Internet & Y2K Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO As we examine the potential impact of the Y2K bug on digital systems across society it is important not to forget about the Internet itself. This is a brief statement from the Internet Society on the year 2000 problem. ---------------------------- Internet Society www.isoc.org Year 2000 Problem The Year 2000 Problem is primarily one that effects computers and other devices with electronic processors. But what about networks? Could a problem be lurking there? Were the soothsayers-of-doom right when they predicted that the Internet would collapse (along with everything else in the world) at the stroke of midnight, January 1, 2000? Highly unlikely! The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) is investigating the issues and examining the protocols. Its "Internet and the Millennium Problem (2000)" Working Group has been inventorying the important Internet protocols directly related to the Internet, and their most popular implementations with respect to the millenium problem. The WG continues to explore issues and to involve other IETF WGs for further investigation and corrective action as needed. To review the latest report, look at the Working Group's web pages: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/2000-charter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet For other information about the Y2K problem, please review the links below. The sites deal almost entirely with non-network issues. However, we include them since the Internet can be indirectly affected by the success various vendors have in making their equipment, software, and services Y2K compliant. Many of these sites have links to more Y2K sites. We have not discovered any meaningful information about Y2K and networks other than the IETF activity. If you know of links we should add to this page, please let us know. From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 00:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08663; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:39:29 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id AAA00068; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:36:14 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.74]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA18583; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:37:05 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 48673 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67342-14319>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:01:21 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14924; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA28622; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28555 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from NALINM@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KBIJa03414; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:57:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <285b6703.3651c6fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:57:02 EST Reply-To: NALINM@aol.com Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: NALINM@aol.com To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Jodhpur Poaching Drama Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: blue@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in X-Cc: nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Dear Belinda, Any updates on status of the Jodhpur poaching case for List members outside India/S.Asia region? Thanks Nalin ==================> In a message dated 98-10-20 17:54:19 EDT, blue@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in writes: > > JODHPUR POACHING DRAMA CONTINUES > New Delhi, 21st October, 1998 > > A misinformation campaign containing statements of denial of any wrong > doings by Salman Khan and his Bollywood cronies, has begun appearing in the > press and on television. A number of Bollywood stars are openly supporting > Salman, claiming that he was "setup" in the recent poaching drama in Jodhpur. > > From ilwis@itc.nl Wed Nov 18 01:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08810 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:18:15 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA02901; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:15:02 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (IDENT:root@postoffice.iisc.ernet.in [202.141.1.17]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA04691 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:22 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from itcnt04.itc.nl (itcnt04.itc.nl [192.87.16.4]) by uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA01439 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:00:00 +0530 Received: by itcnt04.itc.nl with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:31:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ilwis To: Ilwis Subject: ILWIS NewsLetter November 1998 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:31:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Status: RO > ILWIS 2.2, now shipping! > > We are happy to announce that ILWIS 2.2 for Windows is ready for shipping! > ILWIS 2.2 provides a lot of new functionality including orthophoto, > interactive color composites, improved representation capabilities, and > kriging, which is a powerful geostatistical tool. Furthermore, a wealth of > additions and revisions have been made, retaining its unrivaled > user-friendliness. In the next pages all new features in ILWIS 2.2 will be > explained in more detail. > > You are also invited to have a look at: http://www.itc.nl/ilwis/func22.htm2000-charter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet > > Readers interested in using ILWIS 2.2 for Windows will find an order form > at: http://www.itc.nl/ilwis/order22.htm000-charter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet > > > A special offer to all ILWIS customers from PCI-ILWIS Nederland B.V.! > > Included with the new version of ILWIS will be a coupon. This coupon will > be redeemable for one free copy per site of PCI's ACE 3.0 GE cartographic > software and FLY! 3D visualisation software. Both ACE 3.0 GE and FLY! > support ILWIS raster and vector formats so you can open your ILWIS files > directly; there's no need for time consuming translations. > > With ACE 3.0 GE you can quickly create cartographic-quality hardcopy > output from your ILWIS maps. ACE 3.0 GE allows you to present any > cartographic representation of your ILWIS files and includes automatic > legends and surrounds and a symbol library and editor. With FLY!, you can > drape your ILWIS imagery and vectors over your elevation models and fly > through your maps in near real time. You have control of all flight > parameters and can create and save flight paths. > > With PCI's ACE 3.0 GE and FLY!, you will enjoy powerful new ways to > visualize and present the results of your ILWIS analysis. It's another > great reason to purchase ILWIS 2.2! > > This offer is valid till December 31, 1998. > > > A new and promising Canadian - Dutch Partnership > > On February 9th, 1998, the PCI Geomatics Group and ITC signed a Letter of > Agreement to establish and operate a joint venture for the distribution of > geomatics software solutions and training worldwide. The agreement defines > the terms and conditions under which PCI will jointly fund and operate > 'PCI-ILWIS Nederland B.V.' with ITC, giving PCI exclusive sales and > marketing rights to ILWIS software. In addition, the partnership will > facilitate ITC software development, marketing and scientific exchange to > improve the functionality and market position of all PCI-ILWIS Nederland > software products. > > On August 10th, 1998 the negotiations resulted in the official > establishment of PCI-ILWIS Nederland B.V. The new unit will remain located > in its 'old' premises in ITC and is responsible for the worldwide > marketing and sales of ILWIS software products & services. > > PCI and ILWIS started out having different market segments. PCI is well > represented in North and South America; ILWIS being part of ITC, is well > represented in many developing countries. By combining marketing efforts, > both companies now have the opportunity to gain access to new markets and > to use the combined marketing network of distributors to provide users > with an even broader range of software products & services. The > partnership is already benefitting ILWIS customers with seamless data > exchange between ILWIS and PCI products and new opportunities such as our > exciting free ACE and FLY! software offer. > > > Short courses > > ILWIS Training > With the release of ILWIS 2.2, PCI-ILWIS Nederland B.V. again organizes > the successful one-week introductory courses to improve your skills in > ILWIS and present the new functionality of ILWIS 2.2. The next course is > planned in March 1999. > > Short course Environmental Modelling with GIS and Remote Sensing. > 12-16 April 1999. ITC, Enschede, The Netherlands. > Contact: J. Looijen, ITC, P.O. Box 2, 7500 AA Enschede, The Netherlands. > Tel: +31 (0) 53 4874265; Fax: +31 (0) 53 4874399 > E-mail: Looijen@itc.nl > Website: http://www.itc.nl/ha2/ace/shortcourse/flyerter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet > > > New functionality ILWIS 2.2 > > Visualization and Annotation > > Interactive ColorComposite > A map list can be shown directly as a color composite in a map window, > allowing immediate change of bands and ranges of input values to be > stretched. Depending on the purpose, you can easily visualize different > features in the bands. As no extra file is created you will save disk > space and time. > > Show Attribute data of points > Point maps with a linked attribute table can now be displayed using > multiple attributes at the same time, where one attribute column defines > the color and another the symbol. Special cases are arrows (e.g. for > magnetic fields or wind direction and strength), pie charts, bar graphs, > line graphs, composite bars and volume cubes. > > Improved Representation > Points can now be displayed using any symbol font with color and size. > Segments can be displayed by complex line types (single, double, triple, > dot, dash, dash dot, dash dot dot, blocked, symbol along segment) and > polygons by hatchings and patterns. Annotation is completed with > appropriate legends to interpret the renewed representation. > > Annotation Text > Texts with a fixed location on the map are stored in this a new object > type, i.e. in an annotation text layer. It is designed to display and > store multiple texts at multiple positions. You can easily insert more > text items, change and refine the position of texts (move), make text > duplicates, and specify fonts, font sizes, appearance (bold, italics, > underline), colors, rotations, etc. for (multiple) selected texts. > An annotation text layer can be created from scratch or can be > automatically created based on a point, segment or polygon map. Editing > can be done in a user-friendly editor or in the normal table editor. > > Statistics > > Spatial Correlation > Spatial Correlation is a statistical method used to get an impression of > the nature of your point data, for instance prior to a point > interpolation, or to find necessary input parameters for Kriging. Spatial > correlation calculates spatial autocorrelation, spatial variance and > semi-variance for point values that are at certain distances towards each > other in a point map. Semi-variogram values can be calculated with > user-specified lag spacing. You can choose to calculate semivariances > omnidirectionally or bidirectionally with specified direction, tolerance > and bandwidth. > > Graphs > Besides the display of data in columns, ILWIS now also supports the > display of: > expressions as > * y = f (x) > * least squares fit, to fit the best line through points currently > displayed in a graph window, and > * semi-variogram models, to fit a line through the results of the > Spatial Correlation operation. > > Kriging > Kriging can be seen as a point interpolation method. The advantage of this > 'geostatistical' method is that it provides also direct estimates of the > quality of the results. This information can e.g. be used for optimizing > sample networks. From a point map and a user-specified semi-variogram > model, Kriging estimates are calculated in an output raster map. Both > Simple Kriging and Ordinary Kriging are available. Optionally, an error > map can be produced. > > Statistics on columns in a table window > Statistical functionality in tables has been made more accessible and is > strongly improved. From the user-interface you can now calculate: minimum, > maximum, sum, average, variance, standard deviation and standard error of > one column, and the correlation and covariance of two columns. > Furthermore, the Student's t-test and Chi-square test can be performed. > > Referencing and Transformation > > GeoReferences / Orthophoto > The new georeference types GeoRefOrthoPhoto and GeoRefDirectLinear handle > aerial photographs of non-flat terrain's. These georeferences can be > completely defined with the help of a DTM, specified tiepoints and, for > the GeoRefOrthoPhoto, the camera parameters. This enables monoplotting > directly on the non-rectified image on screen. You can resample to create > an orthophoto. > > Projections > More projections are included: Bonne, Cassini, UPS, Oblique Mercator, and > General Perspective. In addition, some specific projections for national > topographic maps are included: Gauss-Krueger (Germany), Gauss-Boaga > (Italy), Lambert Conical Conformal (France), Gauss (Colombia). > > New Coordinate Systems > Some new types of coordinate systems have been defined. A > CoordSystemFormula relates to another coordsystem with a user-defined > shift, scaling, rotation or specified formula. > A CoordSystemTiePoints relates to another coordsystem with user-specified > transformation method and tiepoints. This enables you to work with local > coordinate systems and to handle imported unreferenced vector data. A > CoordSystemLatLon enables datum transformations on geographic coordinates. > > Other Applications > > Creation of a point map from a table > From a table containing XY-data, a point map can be created. The input > table should have two columns, which contain the X- and Y-coordinates for > the points. This operation is designed to obtain a point map from data > created in other packages and that was imported as a table into ILWIS. > > Change domain of a table > After calculations or import, it can be useful to change the domain of a > table. You can for instance use a column to define a new table domain; > aggregation is possible. > > Crossing raster maps > The Cross operation performs an overlay of two raster maps: pixels on the > same positions in both maps are compared. These combinations give an > output cross map and a cross table. Optionally, it can be specified to > ignore the undefined values in the input maps. > > Glueing tables > To glue multiple tables together. When you use Glue maps to glue multiple > identifier maps with attribute table, the tables are automatically glued. > > Glueing multiple maps > Multiple raster maps are now accepted, so it is easier to make mosaics. > When the input raster maps have attribute tables, also the tables will be > automatically merged. You can easily combine class and value data, e.g. > thematic information (land use type) with satellite data, for presentation > purposes. > > Point Map from a Polygon map > A point is created for every polygon; each point obtains the class name, > ID, or value of the corresponding polygon. Optionally, you can now also > obtain label points for polygons, which have no class name, no ID or no > value yet. This enables you to locate your undefined polygons. > > Table Window > It is now possible to edit multiple fields at the same time. By pasting > clipboard information into a table with domain None while the table has no > active selection, records will be added to the table. > > General > Many smaller additions and revisions have been made. All improvements in > the three patches of ILWIS 2.1 are incorporated. Refinements have been > made in the Arc/Info .E00 import, DXF import and export. TIFF import and > export will now use the GeoTIFF extensions. > All forms now have Copy and Print commands in the system menu, under > Windows 95 use the right mouse button on the title bar. > Furthermore, DDE server capabilities have been improved. Also some extra > commands can be used in scripts. > > E-mail services > > Technical Support: support.ilwis@itc.nl > Bug Reports: bugs.ilwis@itc.nl > Wishes: wishes.ilwis@itc.nl > General Information: info.ilwis@itc.nl > Pricing & Ordering: sales.ilwis@itc.nl > > > ILWIS Users Group > > ILWIS Development is planning to organize regular Users Group Meetings to > give users more influence on future implementations. The feedback from > users is important to improve the current software and to gather ideas for > new functionality. All ILWIS users who are interested in participating in > the ILWIS Users Group are requested to contact Jelger Kooistra > (kooistra@itc.nl). Wishes for improvements or new features can be send to > wishes.ilwis@itc.nl. > The first User Group Meeting is scheduled in week 51. > > We are looking forward to receiving your orders! PCI-ILWIS Nederland B.V. P.O. Box 6 7500 AA Enschede The Netherlands tel: +31 53 4874337 fax: +31 53 4874484 From owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Wed Nov 18 03:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09196; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:00:25 +0530 Received: from helios.ulpgc.es by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA09709; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:57:04 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08481 for fish-ecology-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:40:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: helios.ulpgc.es: majordom set sender to owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es using -f Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by helios.ulpgc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08476 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:40:11 GMT Received: from cicei.ulpgc.es (cicei.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.20]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12127 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:48:53 GMT Received: from CICEI/SpoolDir by cicei.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.40); 17 Nov 98 19:48:36 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by CICEI (Mercury 1.40); 17 Nov 98 19:48:22 GMT From: "Aldo Solari [APS]" Organization: Univ. de Las Palmas de G.C. To: fish-ecology@helios.ulpgc.es Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:48:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WORKSHOP ON RAINBOW SMELT/fwd X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Message-ID: <4A3852D27E4@cicei.ulpgc.es> Sender: owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Aldo Solari [APS]" Status: RO ] From: Charles Lesueur ] The rainbow smelt (Osmerus mordax) is a fish species that is found in num= ] erous rivers and lakes in eastern North America as either anadromous or l= ] andlocked populations. Its great fecundity and relative abundance allows = ] it to support both commercial and sport fisheries. The population dynamic= ] s of this forage fish can in itself greatly influence the whole ecosyst= ] em. It is in effect an important element in the diet of many species of s= ] port fish, as well as marine mammals. Moreover the rainbow smelt is of gr= ] eat interest for fundamental research because of its life cycle, its mig= ] rations, its capacity for adaptation, and its circumpolar distribution. I= ] n spite of all this many of the studies and work done on this species sti= ] ll remain little known and unpublished forgotten on dusty shelves in som= ] eones office. ] ] The pooling and diffusion of this knowledge could definitely contribute = ] to better understanding and appreciating not only the significance of on= ] going studies and fundamental research but also could give more insight,= ] based on a greater understanding of population dynamics, into the pertin= ] ence of present day management policies. ] ] In order to provide the opportunity and the forum necessary to permit the= ] exchange of ideas and opinions between those people interested in learni= ] ng more on the rainbow smelt and willing to share their own experiences w= ] e are proposing to convene, in Quebec city, the first North American work= ] shop on rainbow smelt. ] ] The event will be February 21 to 23 1999, actually most of the program is= ] prepared (attached file). We have already more than 60 positives answers= ] and the scientific level is quite interesting. Simultaneous traduction w= ] ill be provided. ] ] In order to help us organize this workshop, You may: ] ] =95 express your interest in participating at this workshop; ] =95 give us your opinions, commentaries and suggestions; ] =95 get in touch with other collegues who might be interested; ] ] The workshop is shedule to be a two days event (21-23 february 1999) at t= ] he clarendon Hotel, consisting in four half day with each one containing = ] a bloc of pesentations (for example 20 minutes) followed by an open excha= ] nge period. Inscription fees will be 50$ can. that will be used mainly t= ] o produce a written resume of the worshop. Following your answer, we wil= ] l contact you to give you more information about the event. ] ] Friendly yours, ] ] ] Organizing Committee of North American Workshop on Rainbow Smelt ] ] Julian J. Dodson / Frederic Lecomte LAVAL UNIVERSITY ] ] Guy Trencia / Pierre Berube Quebec Ministry of Environment ] and Wildlife ] Luc Bouchard / Charles Lesueur Lac St.Jean Ecology Center ] ] ADDRESS ALL INQUIRIES TO ] ] Frederic Lecomte ] G.I.R.O.Q. ] University Laval ] Quebec, Canada ] G1K 7P4 ] Tel: 1-418-656-2131 #8022 ] Fax: 1-418-656-2339 ] E-mail: frederic.lecomte@giroq.ulaval.ca ******************************************************************** To unsubscribe: send an email to Majordomo@helios.ulpgc.es with the command line 'unsubscribe fish-ecology your@email.here' (without the quotations). Majordomo is case sensitive. 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Construction >company Besalco, building Endesa's Ralco dam, dismissed 216 >workers Monday due to paralysis of the project and its uncertain >re-initiation. Ralco, Endesa's US$500 million hydroelectric dam >project, has been opposed by some Pehuenche families that would >have to be relocated due to the flooding of 600 hectares of >Pehuenche land creation of the dam would cause. Proponents say >the dam is necessary to cover Chile's rising electricity needs. > Construction on Ralco has been suspended for three-and-a- >half months as the company and environmental and indigenous >groups look for a solution to the situation. Endesa General >Manager Jaime Bauza said last week that if construction does not >begin within the next 30 days, Ralco would definitely not begin >operations in the year 2002. He called on Conadi to rapidly >approve the 83 land barter contracts that have already been >signed by Pehuenche families. > Conadi Director Rodrigo Gonzalez said that this Thursday the >national Conadi advisory board will meet and establish the criteria >to resolve the land barter contracts already signed. Chile Information Project ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Aleta Brown Campaign Associate International Rivers Network 1847 Berkeley Way Berkeley, CA 94703 USA Phone: 1.510.848.1155 Fax: 1.510.848.1008 email: aleta@irn.org http://www.irn.orgha2/ace/shortcourse/flyerter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet From mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Wed Nov 18 03:57:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09380 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:57:02 +0530 Received: from europe.std.com by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id DAA13379; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:53:43 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA02156; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA02144; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA03657; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:58:57 -0500 Received: from default (slip166-72-248-116.ri.us.ibm.net [166.72.248.116]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA45778 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:58:55 GMT Message-Id: <048d01be1275$67205b80$88f848a6@default> From: "Robert Behrens" To: "QA" Subject: Re: QA FDISK (DOS 6.22) From: Gerald E. Boyd Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:58:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: mjrb-qa@world.std.com Status: RO From: Gerald E. Boyd Subject: Re: QA FDISK (DOS 6.22) On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:21 -0500 Dim Ge wrote: >Today , I encounter a problem , when i use Fdisk (Ver DOS6.22) >Utility to fdisk a HD(Size: 2GB), the screen only display 503MB, >Doesn't DOS6.22 support Large HD,but At this before , I have >fdisk a 2GB HD in this version FDISK ,and found no problem, so >i want to ask PC-newbie ,hope someone can provide a way to >solve this problem, and i hope someone can provide a Web Site >to download another better fdisk Utility! When you say it only displays 503Mb where we you in the FIDSK program? Try this from the DOS command line: fdisk /status You should then see sommething like: Fixed Disk Drive Status Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage 1 6143 0 100% C: 1026 D: 1026 E: 1026 F: 1026 G: 1026 H: 1012 This happens to be from one of my PCs that has a 6.2Gb drive but the idea is the same. The first line will show the size of the drive and the percent utilization, followed by the size of the partitions. If the first line doesn't show 100% then you have incorecttly formatted and partitioned the drive. If however, it does show 100% but the C: drive (and other drive letter) partitions do not add up to the size of the drive, then you have incorretly formatted the partitions. -- Gerry Boyd -- gboyd@netcom.com ========================================================== Sponsored by MJ & RB Computing, Robert Behrens (The Prof) Save on Long Distance Phone Calls: http://LD.net/?mjrb/2/ace/shortcourse/flyerter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet Internet Training & Opportunities: http://www.mjrb.org/2/ace/shortcourse/flyerter.htmlkinfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet ========================================================== From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 04:07:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA09392; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:03:44 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id EAA13547; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:16 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 54059 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67500-14323>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:29:46 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06857; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA10420; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.Princeton.EDU (ee.Princeton.EDU [128.112.48.182]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA10396 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tijuana (vivek@tijuana.Princeton.EDU [128.112.48.140]) by ee.Princeton.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.10-1) with ESMTP id RAA09180 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:28:50 -0500 Received: by tijuana (8.6.10/viktor-1) id RAA24093; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:28:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199811172228.RAA24093@tijuana> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:28:49 -0500 Reply-To: vivek@EE.Princeton.EDU Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Vivek Tiwari To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Fwd from P. Rasmussen. Re: Forest Owlet X-To: nathistory-india@lists.princeton.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Pam has kindly permitted me to post this to the list. The Forest Owlet population is officially at 8 now, but habitat has degraded from just last year. We would appreciate any updates on the ground situation, any moves towards official protection etc. Vivek vivek@ee.princeton.edu >From: Pam Rasmussen Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 13:23:20 EST Subject: Forest Owlet update Dear Vivek, Sorry to have been slow in responding, but I have been away traveling and moving house. After the rediscovery of the Forest Owlet, I put in for an emergency follow-up survey in hopes of determining how critical the situation is for the species. This was funded by the Smithsonian Institution's Biodiversity Programs, and enabled us to start up a survey in collaboration with Bombay Natural History Society. Dr. Rahmani assigned a recent post- doctoral student, Dr. Farah Ishtiaq, to the project, and together we relocated what was presumably the pair we had found in Nov. 1997. We studied that pair for many hours, obtaining interesting behavioral data and tapes of the very distinctive vocalizations, but while I was there we failed to find additional birds. Most discouraging was the very noticeable degradation of the habitat since our November visit, but the birds were still there. After I left the area, Farah continued the survey and has to date located a total of 8 individuals, most or all of them paired up. So what we can say now is that there is a small population, but how localized they are is still conjectural, since no definite reports have yet come from elsewhere, and formal survey work has not yet been conducted outside of the general Shahada/Taloda region. The habitat badly needs protection, but Dr. Rahmani and others are actively pursuing the matter. Farah and I have written a paper on the behavior and vocalizations that we hope to submit soon. I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if there is anything further. 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From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 05:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09538 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:15:57 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id FAA15692; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:12:37 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.17366EDC@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 0:44:41 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2082011 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:44:38 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <9.157720FA@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 0:44:38 +0100 Received: from dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se (dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se [130.244.170.229]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27999 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:43:26 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE128B.D79B8400@dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:39:04 +0100 Encoding: 23 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE128B.D79B8400@dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:41:11 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : composting dead animals To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: TNTInSol@aol.com These folks are old farm hand types and are not open many new ideas. They showed immediate resistnance when I suggested that the incomplete composting of tissue could pose a pathogenic risk to their flocks. Many had the attitude that "been doin' this for XYZ years and ain't had a problem". I am attempting to get these small farmers to be aware that their methods could be problematic. Tracey > From: Jacky Foo > > has the group thought of sieving the original compost first so that > separated tissue and skin can be returned for further composting ? > > Time is an important factor in the reduction of pathogens during > composting. I have seen a chart before and remember that it can take up 2 > or more years for natural inactivation of cysts. From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 05:17:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09540 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:16:03 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id FAA15696; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:12:43 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.197AA5AA@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 0:44:44 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2082027 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:44:43 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.1769B094@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 0:44:41 +0100 Received: from dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se (dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se [130.244.170.229]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28053 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:43:29 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE128B.D9791DA0@dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:39:07 +0100 Encoding: 39 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE128B.D9791DA0@dialup170-4-37.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:44:28 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Chihuahua - Mexico To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: uwe Hi Asifo, thanks for your interest. As I already said to Jacky, people are extremely helpful on this list, though unfortunately they are not in the position to offer anything else than technical advice (of high quality). How would I like... Anyway, regarding what people, government, churches, etc. think, we have a strange situation. As I belong to a minority church (baptist) they don't really like us, as followers of a "big stupidity". At the same time they like us as people who care for their next, through orphanages, old people's homes, etc., as we are probably the most active group in this regard. So for projects like this, the doors are wide open, in what permits is concerned. Otherwise they won't help "crazy people" like us. This and a few other reasons brought me to the conclusion that also we (like all the other baptist welfare institutions in Mexico) will have to look for funds outside our country. As it is a big hassle (I know pretty well so far by experience) to get funding from whomever, I want to install the orphanage as self-sufficient as possible, so not to repeat all this frustration over and over again. That's more or less in a few words the reasons behind my perhaps hard to understand attitude. It's really difficult for me to explain, but everything obeys good reasons. - Now something else: yesterday the (somewhat remote) possibility of a very well paid advisory job for me came up. If I get it, I'll have the money for the orphanage in a short time. You said "God Bless" in your post; so if you are a believing christian, I would like to invite you to pray for this opportunity. It would be the end to all the problems I have right now. Take care! Uwe From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 09:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10190; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:59:23 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id IAA20080; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:55:41 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 62653 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67730-14324>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:24:01 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA04294; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA22808; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jennifer.emc.com.ph (una-jennifer.emc.com.ph [208.232.224.3]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22782 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nasta (nasta.emc.com.ph [203.176.3.19]) by jennifer.emc.com.ph (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18256 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:23:49 +0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:22:08 +0800 Reply-To: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph (Nirmal Ghosh) To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Rajaji update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-ID: X-Sender: Nirmal@straitstimes.com.ph X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO I just heard some news on Rajaji : 1) a recent joint meeting between RNP director Dubey and the railway authorities (I heard Dr Johnsingh was also present) took place, and they inspected parts of the track and agreed on certain measures to increase visibility and decrease the gradient of the cuttings (so elephants could move away more quickly) etc. (I don't have details, perhaps someone from WII - Christy? has them??) 2) The Central Govt recently approved the long-standing demand of 2 acres per family for Gujjar families relocated at Pathri and Gandikhata (near Bijnore). Some 1300 families are involved here, 500 of which are supposed to be resettled at Pathri and 700 at Gandikhata. They will get some additional assistance to build their OWN housing at Gandikhata (the awful concrete housing units at Pathri were a problem) Now it's back to the State to implement. Handling this could still be a problem, given the way the system works (or rather doesn't work). Still, we should keep our fingers crossed and help in any way possible, I think. A solution to a major problem could finally actually be in sight. On the whole, positive news! - Nirmal From jp@ces.iisc.ernet.in Wed Nov 18 09:27:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (jp@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA10592 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:27:06 +0530 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:27:06 +0530 (IST) From: Janardanan Pillai To: all@ces.iisc.ernet.in Subject: Services Disruption @ ERNET, IISc (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 19:54:31 GMT+5:30 From: Gopi K Garge To: Gopi K Garge Subject: Services Disruption @ ERNET, IISc Dear User, Due to a UPS fault, the services at the ERNET NOC had to be brought down without a warning, this afternoon. The UPS is up and ticking now. Our sincere regrets for this downtime. Due to this disruption, you could expect incoming mail delays of upto 8 hours, tomorrow. The UPS will again be brought down for service starting 3:30 PM on 20 Nov 1998. 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Thanks for your cooperation, --Gopi Garge From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19765 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:10:56 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA11020; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:07:32 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.00322B4C@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:10 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2137026 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:09 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.FBE9838C@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:03 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26094 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.BDA68880@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:28 +0100 Encoding: 20 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.BDA68880@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:12:52 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Chihuahua - Mexico To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: USP - Ajuyah Hello Uwe. Thanks for the quick response. Hope for the best, but expect the worse. I shall fill the ears of my friends with your priceless efforts. Jacky and ICIBS brought this plight of the Chihuahua orphanage onto our screens and into our homes for a good reason. How I wish I could adopt one of the kids to reduce your problems by one. Please believe in yourself, have persistence and perseverance, goodwill of people around you and fate in God. I will pray for the kids, to them you are everything, their last hope in life. Remember it is written that whatsoever you do to the least of My brethren's you do unto Me. I hope some day some members of this audience will come and visit you at Chihuahua with gifts of love. Please keep in touch Uwe and God bless you Miracle worker. Thanks, Asifo. From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19759 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:10:10 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA10913; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:06:16 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.F5CF3A23@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:53 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2136976 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:51 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.F328C767@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:48 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25669 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.B4A4EE20@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:13 +0100 Encoding: 29 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.B4A4EE20@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:19:02 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : earthworms in IBS (Mexico) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Martin Medina Dear Mr. Li, you wrote: >As far as human pathogens are concerned, I have read an article. It says >microorganisms were observed in both body and cocoons of earthworms. >They came from the worm's environment. During passage of food through >earthworm gut most of bacteria were killed, only fungal spores and some >bacteria remained viable. After passing through the gut, the population >of the slow growing bacteria declined. However, the fast growing ones >reproduced rapidly in the gut. Although earthworm interact with >microorganisms, the mechanisms remain to be studies and quantified in >depth. Do you agree with me? yes, I agree that we need a better understanding of the process of vemicomposting so that the resulting compost does not constitute risks to human health and the environment. There is a great potential for the use of vermicomposting in developing countries, due to the high organic content of municipal solid wastes, as well as of biosolids from wastewater treatment plants. Vermicomposting need not be conducted at a large scale. Several localities in Indonesia show that it can be profitable at a small scale, even at the household level. Best regards, Martin Medina From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19763 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:10:48 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA10998; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:07:23 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.FCC05FF6@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:04 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2137003 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:03 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.F760C9A6@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:55 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25878 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:43 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.B921EAC0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:21 +0100 Encoding: 36 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.B921EAC0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:31:05 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Crest Chicken Limited Fiji To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: USP - Ajuyah Hello Jacky, You said: >there is a significant difference in the information you provided >on Nov 11 and Nov 13 Answer: The last information was obtained from the records of my discussion with William Chute and therefore the correct version. William had problems converting from the imperial system to the metric system, and British or American gallon, during the initial stages of our discussion. I presume the first data that I gave you are products of that discussion. >what does CC do with 25,000 chicken per day ? it is for export ! Answer: C.C. is the largest broiler chicken producer in the South Pacific region and their products are on the menu of hotels, homes, institutions, etc in Fiji and limited export. In fact our Pig and poultry farm have business association with them. >3000 tons waste solids per day seems very wrong. Answer: I totally agree with you. William Chute is the most appropriate person to reconcile waste from all his processes. I shall bring this anomalies to his attention. All the data that I collected from him are still in the raw form, they are required for the chapter that I am contributing for a book on Agriculture in Fiji. Jacky, fax your observations to William, I think he will set the records straight. Thank, Asifo From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19767 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:11:05 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA11035; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:07:40 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.0403AA1B@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:17 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2137057 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:16 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.00B68653@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:38:11 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26340 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:59 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.C1695CE0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:34 +0100 Encoding: 62 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.C1695CE0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:29:48 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Chihuahua - Mexico To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Jacky Foo Thanks for your kind words Asifo. I had a few email exchanges with Uwe and here are some excerpts on technical matters. Comments and suggestions are welcomed. regards Jacky _____ Uwe: ...our pastor is already pretty close to building his own house, and just yesterday he mentioned the possibility of receiving some children in this house, as soon as it's ready.That would also be a beginning, but shouldn't be a reason to loose track of the big picture, which is developing a sustainable form a permanent help and development of these children. Jacky: could you give me an estimate of how much wastewater would this house generate per day from the kitchen and bathroom ? What are the plans to treat sewage ? Uwe: ....the pastor's family is 4 people; he, his wife and two little children (1 and 2 years), though I have no idea how much an average person produces in wastewater. But remember that in the future there will be the children of the orphanage in the same piece of land, plus there are two neighbour families (which donated the land), which I also would like to connect to the digestor. They are another ten to twelve people with relatively grown-up childen. And of course we also have to take into account the future church with up to 100 people on sundays (maybe more in the future), and about 20 on wednesday evenings. That's more or less the situation. Now, how many liters of wastewater produces an average person per day? 100 liters; 150? Unfortunately, I don't know. ....(cut)......my plan is to biodigest the wastewaters, though I would like to know if we could treat the greywaters apart, to recover them for household uses (perhaps shower; I don't know if it's possible). As the idea is to establish an IBS, my feeling is that biodigestion is obvious, so to recover nutrients Jacky: >I have no idea how much an average person produces in wastewater check the water bill of some of your friends with children.....(cut)....Greywater is not rich enough to generate biogas. There is very little nutrients in it. Uwe: ....total water consumption per person and day is about 400-500 liters (which sounds high to me), and I don't know how many percent are discipated as vapor. But these are the official numbers of our local water and sewer administration. - The idea of treating greywaters apart was not so much to take advantage of nutrients, but to hopefully clean the water enough to be reused, perhaps in the shower and toilets. Water is delivered by truck to the outskirts of our city, so it would be good to find ways to reduce the consumption of "original water". That includes the possibility of a well, water collection from the roof, and recycling, as far as reasonably possible. Do you think that the last option is viable? From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19761 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:10:37 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA10969; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:06:57 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.F8ACC3AA@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:58 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2136989 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:57 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.F56BB197@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:52 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25770 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:40 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.B69350A0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:16 +0100 Encoding: 54 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.B69350A0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:27:30 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : Aztecs and Mayas To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Martin Medina Dear Prof. Li, Thank you for your message, for your comments and for your interest in the Aztec agricultural practice that I mentioned in my paper. On the area that is now Mexico City a large lake existed (approximately 60 by 10 km in size). The area around the lake had been populated for hundreds of years. The Aztecs were a nomadic group that eventually settled in 1325 in a marshy area that was not desirable to the other indigeous groups that already lived around the lake. Since the Aztecs lacked arable land (it was already occupied when they arrived there) they eventually developed a system in which they dredged the lake and accumulated the sediments, forming artificial islets, which they called 'chinampas'. Sometimes these chinampas floated in the lake, but more often they planted trees to anchor them to the bottom of the lake. The relatively mild weather, the abundance of water, and the periodic addition of organic materials (excrement, leftover food and other organic materials) produced enough crops to sustain a growing population. Excrement has highly regarded by the farmers, and was bought and sold in the city's largest market. Excrement and other organics were carried to the chinampas in canoes. There were scavengers (or night soil collectors) whose only activity was the collection from public latrines and transport of excrement to be used in the chinampas. The Aztecs, however, also used excrement in the tanning of leather so there was strong demand for it. (they also recovered urine and used it as a mordant in the dyeing of fabrics). The Aztecs grew flowers, fruit trees and other vegetables in their backyards (the layout of the Aztec capital city consisted of a series of canals so that many houses had backyards facing a canal, which provided water to the gardens). Unfortunately, after the Spanish conquest, the Aztec city was destroyed, most of the lake was drained and built on. Today only a small part of the lake is preserved, south of Mexico City. In this area, called Xochimilco, some chinampas still exist today. By the way, the Mayas also had a similar system. The Mayas lived in a tropical forest environment, quite different from the high altitude of Mexico City. The Mayas developed a system of raised fields, on which they grew a variety of crops, surrounded by canals that supplied water to the fields, as well as fish that they ate, and an aquatic ecosystem. According to the ecologists that have studied it, the Maya system of raised fields produced abundant crops. The periodic addition of excrement and other organic material seemed to have allowed the continued use of agricultural land, as opposed to the practice of slash and burn, in which the nutrients in the soil are depleted in a few years. Best regards. Martin Medina From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 15:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19752 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:09:31 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA10836; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:05:42 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <3.F36B6202@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:49 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2136968 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:46 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.F1451E41@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:37:45 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se [130.244.182.228]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25573 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:33 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12DE.B28D58C0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:32:10 +0100 Encoding: 57 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12DE.B28D58C0@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:16:15 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : earthworms in IBS (Mexico) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Martin Medina Dear Mr. Montoya, Thank you for your message and for your questions. >From: Javier Montoya gomez >1.- What happen with the accumulation of heavy metals, i.e, pb,zn,cd. >etc.and what about with the chickens that feed on them??? >2.- What happen with the odors of the activated sludge? >3.- What kind of wastewater treatment plant do you have? 3.- I would like to start with your third question, about the type of plant that we have. As you probably know, water in the U.S.-Mexico border region is a scarce resource. The city of Tijuana, Mexico (across the border from San Diego, California) over the last 3 decades has had one of the fastest rates of population growth in Mexico: from 370,000 residents in 1970 to nearly one million today. Approximately 90% of the water consumed by the city comes from the Colorado river. The city has been able to supply most of its population with water, but lacks wastewater treatment facilities. Sometimes untreated sewage ends up in San Diego because the Tijuana river flows north and the mouth of the river is on the U.S. side of the border. This has caused friction between Mexico and the U.S. because of the pollution caused in the U.S. In the early 1980s a plan to build a binational wastewater treatment plant called for a Mexican investment of U.S. $280 million to build the plant. Tijuana just did not have the money to make such an investment. Thus, several organizations started looking for more affordable technology that could be used to treat the wastewater and use the treated water to irrigate a park. The objective was to demonstrate that a low-cost, decentralized approach could work in Mexico, as opposed to the capital-intensive, centralized conventional watewater treatment systems. Several U.S. and Mexican organizations donated funds and materials to build this plant. The plant has no moving parts, has proven its reliability, requires little maintenance and attempts to minimize the use of chemicals and of electricity. The main components of the plant are a grate, a hydrasieve, a biofilter, and a clarifier. A series of constructed wetlands will also be built. We are currently vermicomposting only the biosolids from the hydrasieve (particles greater than 0.5 milimiters) and not the ones form the clarifier. 2.- We do not have currently a problem with odors from the sludge. We hope to build an anaerobic digester for the sludge from the clarifier. 1- At present we only have the vermicomposting component operating. We are planning an integrated biosystem that would be based on the biosolids and treated water from the plant. We would have to conduct studies to assess the toxicity and pathogens present in the compost. Due to lack of resources we have only tested the compost for coliforms but not for heavy metals. We have applied for funding to conduct these studies and to create the integrated biosystem, as well as an environmental education center. Thank you. Martin Medina From bidyut@wii.gov.in Wed Nov 18 15:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20037 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:34:19 +0530 Received: from s1.wii.gov.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id PAA12842; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:30:51 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from wii.gov.in ([192.9.206.143]) by s1.wii.gov.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 282 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:15:05 +0530 Message-ID: <36529A3D.28410D18@wii.gov.in> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:28:22 +0530 From: "Dr. B.K.Mishra" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. T.V. Ramachandra" Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <199811171703.WAA07937@ces.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO My Dear Ramachandra, Thanks for your prompt reply. Kiran and Deepa has been selected to attend the workshop. They will be communicated about this very soon by the dealing assistant . This workshop is being organized at Chilka. The participants are supposed to report at hotel Panthaniwas at Bhubaneswar on 4th January, 1999, and from there they will be taken to a place called Rambha. Details of instructions are being sent to all the participants by the organizers. Do you subscribe a journal named " Economic Botany" in IISc library? I wanted copy of a few papers written by Dr. K.S.Bawa and some others. These papers are in Economic Botany, Vol. 47, pp.215-247, 251-257, 275-281 (1993). If you have access to this journal, could you let me know how I can procure them for my use. Dr. Bawa's papers may be even in your CES library. With regards, B.K.Mishra Dr. T.V. Ramachandra wrote: > Dear Dr.Bidyut > Thank you for your mail. I am sorry I forgot to inform you > after mailing some of my latest publications. Other areas which are > covered are - GIS, wetlands and image analyses. Wetlands there are > few conference papers, I shall mail them after some time. > As per your suggestions I have forwarded two applications of > my group members for wetlands training (Mr.Kiran and Ms.Deepa). Is it possible for you to inform me whether these candidates are selcted for > the proposed training? > > with warm regards > > sincerely > > tvr From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Wed Nov 18 16:17:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20712 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:16:05 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id QAA15865; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:12:43 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.1234B662@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:43:06 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 2140580 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:43:03 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.0DC1BD96@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:42:58 +0100 Received: from dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se (dialup174-4-1.swipnet.se [130.244.174.193]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16107 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:41:46 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE12E7.CF6FAB60@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:37:23 +0100 Encoding: 33 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE12E7.CF6FAB60@dialup182-4-36.swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:36:57 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : earthworms in IBS (Mexico) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO ----------forwarded From: Jacky Foo H.Doelle wrote: >Did you read the ICIBS paper on polyethylene tube anaerobic digesters ? >These are the cheapest and are being used in Bangladesh and Philippines. >The costs are well under US$ 100 I believe. Here is some information on the cost of polyethylene digesters: >From ICIBS paper discussions : Lylian Rodriguez: >In Vietnam a 4m long digester costs about (ten) > 10 USD, a common figure quoted is 20-40 USD. Another Vietnam example: >5.4 m3 digester + 2 burners = 37.80 USD Philippines (from Francisco A. Moog ) > A 10m x 90 cm diameter digester (double-sheet) with complete set of PVC > fittings, 3m x 90cm double sheet gas reservoir, 20m 1/2 inch diameter > plastic clear hose and a stove. These are the material costs, > labor for installation and materials for minor civil works which will vary > according to sites and desire of farmer are not not included. >Cost of the digester set described is US$88. I welcome more information on prices (local and in USD) of such digesters from other countries. Regards Jacky Foo From root@zappa.fie.com Wed Nov 18 16:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20685 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:14:52 +0530 Received: from zappa.fie.com by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id QAA15746; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:11:23 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from root@localhost) by zappa.fie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16899 for cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:22:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:22:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199811180822.DAA16899@zappa.fie.com> To: cestvr@ces.iisc.ernet.in From: "FEDIX Opportunity Alert" Subject: 2 New Opportunities Reply-To: "FEDIX Opportunity Alert" Precedence: alert-service X-Timestamp: Wed Nov 18 03:22:44 EST 1998 X-FOA-Id: 46318 X-FOA-Pin: 2506 Status: RO Today's FEDIX OPPORTUNITY ALERT!!! search has found 2 opportunities that match your Personal Interests Profile. Enclosed below are the first 20 lines of each matching opportunity. To view the complete text, go to the URL listed immediately below the announcement. ======================= Item 1 of 2 ======================= TITLE: ACTIVELY COOLED CERAMIC MATRIX COMPOSITES RESEARCH - NASA > > COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF NOVEMBER 17,1998 PSA#2223 > NASA/George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, Procurement Office, > Marshall Space Flight Center, AL 35812 > COMPLETE TITLE -- RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT SOURCES SOUGHT -- ACTIVELY > COOLED > CERAMIC MATRIX COMPOSITES DUE 120998 POC David. G. Morgan, Contracting > Officer, Phone (256) 544-0410, Fax (256) 544-8688, Email > david.morgan@msfc.nasa.gov . WEB: Click here for the latest information > about this notice, > http://nais.nasa.gov/EPS/MSFC/date.html#1-8-EH-7-4120nfodev-cl&text_modeodeeet . E-MAIL: David. > G. Morgan, david.morgan@msfc.nasa.gov . NASA/MSFC is hereby soliciting > information for potential sources for a 36-month Enabling Technology > Demonstration (ETD) effort to mature innovative Ceramic Matrix > Composite (CMC) actively cooled structural design concepts that offer > significant weight, cost, performance, reliability, and inspectibility > advantages over baseline Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV) aerospike > cooled composite nozzle ramps. A 2.0 lb./ft2 areal density goal has > been set for these designs. The effort to accomplish this objective > consists of tasks to select material architecture/concepts; complete > preliminary design concept analysis and selection, and identify > critical enabling technologies. A subsequent ETD test series is > considered essential to focus initial development activities on > resolving those key technologies lacking maturity and are critical to > the successful development of the selected concept. These tests will > support subsequent design, fabrication, and test of a Manufacturing > Technology Demonstrator (MTD) scale-up test article, approximately 10 URL : http://web.fie.com/htdoc/fed/nas/any/any/proc/any/11179806.htm&text_modeodeeet Matching Keywords : National Aeronautics and Space Administration ======================= Item 2 of 2 ======================= TITLE: PULSED PLASMA THRUSTER DEVELOPMENT, FABRICATION, AND TESTING - NASA > > COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF NOVEMBER 18,1998 PSA#2224 > NASA/Lewis Research Center, 21000 Brookpark Road, Cleveland, OH 44135 > A -- PULSED PLASMA THRUSTER DEVELOPMENT, FABRICATION, AND TESTING POC > Scott W. Benson, Project Manager, Phone (216) 977-7085, Fax (216) > 433-2995, Email scott.w.benson@lerc.nasa.gov -- Kathleen L. Batke, > Contracting Officer, Phone (216) 433-2823, Fax (216) 433-2480, Email > Kathleen.L.Batke@lerc.nasa.gov . WEB: Click here for the latest > information about this notice, > http://nais.nasa.gov/EPS/LeRC/date.html#SS-6910ny/11179806.htm&text_modeodeeet . E-MAIL: Scott W. > Benson, scott.w.benson@lerc.nasa.gov . NASA/LeRC is hereby soliciting > information for potential sources for potential sources for research on > improved Pulsed Plasma Thruster (PPT) components. NASA/LeRC seeks to > develop PPT energy storage units and power processing electronics that > have increased performance, reduced mass, and reduced recurring cost > over existing approaches. Resulting components would be directly > applicable to a wide range of space science missions. An R&T program to > establish feasibility shall be carried out followed by development and > validation of engineering model hardware. NASA plans to conduct this > research in two phases. The first phase shall consist of an R&T effort > to demonstrate the critical technologies required for successful > system development. The second phase shall be an option dependant upon > Contractor progress and the availability of funds and shall consist of > the development, fabrication and testing of engineering model > components. The Contract will be awarded under a Best Value > procurement. Phase I is expected to be complete within 9 months, the > total program duration is expected to be less than thirty-six months. URL : http://web.fie.com/htdoc/fed/nas/any/any/proc/any/11189805.htm&text_modeodeeet Matching Keywords : National Aeronautics and Space Administration ----- PS/ps:46318 From jp@ces.iisc.ernet.in Wed Nov 18 17:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (jp@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21749 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:21:01 +0530 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:21:01 +0530 (IST) From: Janardanan Pillai To: all@ces.iisc.ernet.in Subject: musical evening @ csic (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO >From rajan@csa.iisc.ernet.in Wed Nov 18 04:06:40 1998 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:06:37 +0530 (IST) From: K Nagarajan Reply-To: K Nagarajan To: gopi@ece.iisc.ernet.in Subject: musical evening Message-Id: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone! We cordially welcome you all for a light music evening presented by us, "AZURE MELODIES" at the CSIC Auditorium on Friday, the 20th November, 1998 at 5:30 pm on the occasion of the Inauguration of the IISc Alumni Web Page, sponsored by the Students' Council. Regards, Azure Melodies -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From jp@ces.iisc.ernet.in Wed Nov 18 17:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (jp@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21804 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:21:36 +0530 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:21:36 +0530 (IST) From: Janardanan Pillai To: all@ces.iisc.ernet.in Subject: SEMINAR @ Physics (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO >From shanti@physics.iisc.ernet.in Tue Nov 17 20:00:24 1998 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:32:49 +0530 (IST) From: Shanta Kumari Message-Id: Condensed Matter Physics Seminar Department of Physics -------------------------------- Speaker : Sitabhra Sinha Condensed Matter Theory Unit Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research Title : CHAOS AND SYNCHRONIZATION IN EXCITATORY-INHIBITORY NEURAL NETWORK MODELS Date : Monday, November 23, 1998 Time : 4 pm Venue : Raman Building Lecture Hall, Dept. of Physics, IISc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ess@ces.iisc.ernet.in Wed Nov 18 19:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (ess@localhost) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23483; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:26:55 +0530 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:26:55 +0530 (IST) From: "Ecological Students' Society" To: all@ces.iisc.ernet.in cc: events@iisc.ernet.in Subject: Seminar at CES Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Hello, We have a seminar at the CES Seminar Hall on 25th November,1998 (Wednesday). The Speaker is Dr. Narayan Behera from the University of Kyoto, Japan. The Topic of the seminar is "Spatial effects on the evolution of Mutualism". Time: 4.00 p.m.( Coffee will be served at 3.45p.m.) All are welcome to attend. ESS. From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 19:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23904; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:48:56 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA00192; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:45:22 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 48035 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67603-6676>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:31:56 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00148; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA11906; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns (dns.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.1]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11860 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.irm.r9.fws.gov by dns (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id GAA17312; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:26:32 -0700 Received: from ccMail by smtp1.irm.r9.fws.gov (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA911395682; Wed, 18 Nov 98 06:28:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9811189113.AA911395682@smtp1.irm.r9.fws.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 08:19:23 -0700 Reply-To: dave_ferguson@mail.fws.gov Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: dave_ferguson@mail.fws.gov To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Siberian cranes at Bharatpur, India MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: , , , , , , , , , , X-Cc: X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Further to my message of yesterday, Harsh Vardhan has supplied the following information on the arrival of the pair of Siberian cranes at KNP, Bharatpur. "A pair of Siberian cranes was observed first time this winter season at Keoladeo National Park at about 9:30 am (IST) on 11 November 1998 in the E Block. It was presumed that the birds landed in the park the previous night. They are adult birds, However, there is no chick accompanying them. The pair was observed feeding in the same (E) Block for next two days. A Sarus crane pair with two chicks had a territorial dispute with the mirgrant pair. The resident birds tried to corner them for a while. This led the Sibes to abandon that habitat, take off and settle in K Block. The birds were reported feeding in this Block today (November 18) also." For your information, I had Harsh's email address incorrect yesterday. His correct address is: It is "jp1" (jp "one" not L or l) Harsh adds that last year a Sibes pair had landed in this park on 17 November, while the year before last, the arrival date was on 16 November. Dave Ferguson From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 20:27:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24150; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:26:48 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id UAA02102; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:23:12 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 57067 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68065-6671>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:46:35 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23974; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA15071; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from brain.brain.net.pk (brain.brain.net.pk [203.128.7.10]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14994 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mwaseem (analog67.brain.net.pk [203.128.3.67]) by brain.brain.net.pk (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id TAA18174; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:34:29 +0500 (PKT) Message-Id: <199811181434.TAA18174@brain.brain.net.pk> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:32:41 +0500 Reply-To: mwaseem@psh.brain.net.pk Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: "Ashiq Ahmad Khan" To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Re: Siberian cranes at Bharatpur, India MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: , , , , , , , , , , X-Cc: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Dear Dave Ferguson, Thank you for sharing the good news about Siberian cranes. Let hope this pair spend winter safely and return to Siberia for breeding. Last year on November 16, a pair of sibes was accompanied by a juvenile. Is there any news/guess about that young sibe? Further in June PTTs were experimented with a pair of Sibes (central population). Are there any news about results of the PTTs? Hearing about this would be great. With best regards. Sincerely, Ahmad Khan Conservation Officer WWF-Pakistan From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Wed Nov 18 21:57:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24662 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:54:32 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id VAA08077; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:50:54 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02320; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01707 for bioenergy-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:52:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Hanne L Raadal" Organization: Stiftelsen Ostfoldforskning To: bioenergy@crest.org Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:40:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Biogas from straw X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Message-ID: Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am very interested in any information available on biogas from straw. Is it possible? Maybe if the straw is mixed with animal manure? Ratio straw/manure? Sincerly Hanne L. Raadal Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Wed Nov 18 22:27:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24845 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:20:38 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA09670; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:17:04 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA23687; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181530.KAA23687@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Global Knowledge Dev. Moderator" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: [GKD] Y2K: Resources Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Dear GKD members, Below you will find various resources on the Y2K problem and developing countries. We will appreciate receiving your suggestions of other books, reports, mailing list, toolkits, websites, etc., which we can include in the next Y2K Resources message. Thanks and best regards, the Moderators **** ARTICLES, BOOKS, REPORTS **** "Le passage a l'an 2000" - Le Monde Informatique <http://www.lmi.fr/lmi/dossiers/d2/doss2.htmrgy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet> YEAR 2000 RECESSION? "Prepare for the worst. Hope for the best." by Dr. Edward Yardeni <http://www.yardeni.com/y2kbook.htmloss2.htmrgy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet> [Full text of book by Ed Yardeni, one of the world's leading experts on the millennium bug.] "The Year 2000 Problem: Global Dimensions" by Ed Yardeni <http://www.yardeni.com/public/y-19981102.pdfgy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet> (PDF file) "The Year 2000 Problem in Mexico, A Perspective" by Maria Cristina Padron Hernandez <http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/y2kconf/paper3fp.htm/tm&text_modeodeeet> "Year 2000: who will do what and when will they do it? Towards actions" by Douglass Carmichael <http://www.tmn.com/y2k/y2kwho.htmr2000/y2kconf/paper3fp.htm/tm&text_modeodeeet> "Latin America & the Year 2000 Problem: It is Time to Take Action" by Juan-Francisco Roque <http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/y2kconf/paper30fp.htmtm&text_modeodeeet> **** LIST SERVS, NEWSLETTERS **** SURVIVE Mailing list This mailing list discusses Y2K in Africa. To join the SURVIVE mailing list, send a message to , leave subject blank, and enter JOIN SURVIVE in the body. Y2K Reporters (Ed Yardeni) http://www.yardeni.com/y2kreporter.htmly2kconf/paper30fp.htmtm&text_modeodeeet **** WEB SITES **** A2K - EL ANO 2,000 - El EFECTO 2,000: http://jacoby.uam.edu.ni/a2k/orter.htmly2kconf/paper30fp.htmtm&text_modeodeeet Cinderella Project: http://www.cinderella.co.zak/orter.htmly2kconf/paper30fp.htmtm&text_modeodeeet Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/topics/year2k/default.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [Analyses and fixes for the Windows operating system and various Microsoft software applications] U.S. Federal Government Gateway for Year 2000 Information Directories: http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [This is probably the most comprehensive source on Y2K issues around the world] Y2K Egypt: http://www.y2kegypt.com/gov/mks/yr2000/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet Y2K: The social causes and social impact: http://www.tmn.com/y2k//gov/mks/yr2000/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [Site of Y2K panellist Doug Carmichael] Year 2000: http://www.year2000.com/gov/mks/yr2000/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [The web site of the Year 2000 Information Center, an initiative by Y2K pioneer Peter de Jager. This is probably the definitive site on the Millenium Bug. Is updated regularly.] WEB SITES PRESENTING GOVERNMENT Y2K PROGRAMS: Argentina: http://www.sfp.gov.ar/2000/2000.html00/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet India: http://www.doe.gov.in/~doe/y2k.htmml00/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet Malaysia: http://www.y2k.gov.my/~doe/y2k.htmml00/y2khome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet Singapore: http://www.ncb.gov.sg/ncb/yr2000/index.htmlome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet South Africa: http://www.y2k.org.za/ncb/yr2000/index.htmlome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet Tunesia: http://www.An2000.tn//ncb/yr2000/index.htmlome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS Y2K WEB SITES: International Telecommunications Union (ITU): http://www.itu.int/y2kncb/yr2000/index.htmlome.htmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [Extensive web site, including a Year 2000 Tool Kit. In English only.] UNDP INFO21: The Year 2000 and Developing Countries: http://www.undp.org/undp/info21/new/n-y-disc.htmlmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet United Nations: http://www.un.org/members/yr2000/ew/n-y-disc.htmlmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet [Includes some resolutions by the General Assembly on Y2K plus an overview of the year 2000 compliance of all UN agencies.] World Bank infoDev: http://www.worldbank.org/infoDev/y2kn-y-disc.htmlmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet **** TOOL KITS ***** Y2k Starter Kit This toolkit by the Cinderella Project (South Africa) is intended for those who do not have ready access to the Internet and consists of selected Free Tools (freely available for download on the Net), Procedures and Documents to enable Home users and Small Businesses to modify their systems for use after 1999-12-31. The toolkit can be downloaded from <http://www.cinderella.co.za/cindpat.htm#toolkitmlmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet> or by anonymous FTP at . InfoDev Y2K Toolkit This toolkit was developed for infoDev (the Information for Development Program, a multidonor grant program managed by the World Bank) to provide a resource to Governments for understanding the implications of the Year 2000 problem, for assessing the risks and possible strategies for managing the risk, and for potential Government action including developing a national plan, and establishing a Year 2000 organization. The Toolkit also provides resources for conducting inventories, risk assessments, contingency planning, vendor management, check lists and references to other relevant sources of information. Download from <http://www.worldbank.org/infodev/y2k/ToolKit.htmlmault.htmtmtm&text_modeodeeet> From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 22:27:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24879; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:25:09 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA10018; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:21:47 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.74]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA01924; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:22:16 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 45596 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67419-6672>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:45:59 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13519; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21078; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from er7.rutgers.edu (er7.rutgers.edu [165.230.180.135]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20995 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bansuri@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15595; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:44:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:44:52 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: bansuri@eden.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Bansuri Taneja To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Geographical Indicators Bill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nathistory-India@lists.princeton.edu X-Sender: bansuri@er7.rutgers.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO The condensed version of daily news from the Hindu on the 17th November talks of the Geographical Indicators Bill being introduced in parliament . This is the first I have heard of such a bill. Does anyone know of a site on the web where I might get more information on this bill, or if it has been written about anywhere recently? Thanks, Bansuri Taneja From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Wed Nov 18 22:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25066; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:38:19 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA10887; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:34:41 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 47574 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67592-6671>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:57:50 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18168; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21594; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from moe.cc.utexas.edu (moe.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.2]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21578 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ramakris@localhost) by moe.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/cc-uts-client-1.8) with SMTP id KAA11871 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:56:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:56:24 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: ramakris@uts.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: L Ramakrishnan To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Varanus-megapode interactions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ramakris@uts.cc.utexas.edu X-Cc: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research X-Authentication-Warning: moe.cc.utexas.edu: ramakris owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Valmik Thapar's 6 part series - India: land of the tiger aired on the PBS tv network last Sunday-Tuesday. The footage included a monitor lizard (V. salvator?) raiding a megapod nest, eating the eggs and laying its own eggs in the nest. This was in the A&N islands. I'm curious how common this phenomenon of brood parasitism in Varanus is. Any other observations? -------------------------- L Ramki Ramakrishnan Zoology, UT Austin, Texas ramakris@uts.cc.utexas.edu --------------------------- On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Bansuri Taneja wrote: > > > The condensed version of daily news from the Hindu on the 17th November > talks of the Geographical Indicators Bill being introduced in parliament . > This is the first I have heard of such a bill. Does anyone know of a site > on the web where I might get more information on this bill, or if it has > been written about anywhere recently? > > Thanks, > > Bansuri Taneja > > > > From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Wed Nov 18 23:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25500 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:24:22 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id XAA13758; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:20:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02317; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01709 for bioenergy-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: jonker Subject: Request for price information To: bioenergy@crest.org Message-id: <08414885411824@ecnpdc.ecn.nl> X-Envelope-to: bioenergy@crest.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Info: ECN - The Netherlands Energy Research Foundation Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Sirs, Could you give me the price of the book "Bioenergy '96, Proceedings of the 7th. national conference published by Tennessee Valley Authority, Muscle Shoals and the address where we can order this book? Thanking you in advance, Mrs. M.R. JOnker-Hassing Library ECN Petten The Netherlands Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Thu Nov 19 00:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25974 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:48:20 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id AAA19457; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:45:01 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from tristram.edc.org (tristram.edc.org [155.38.10.11]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA04058 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:46:20 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA23779; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:36:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181536.KAA23779@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: Ckenny@worldbank.org Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:51:32 -0500 Subject: [GKD] Toolkit for African Telecom Policy-Makers To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO I wanted to alert GKD members to a new World Bank InfoDev-funded Internet Toolkit for African Telecom Policy-Makers, available online at: http://www.worldbank.org/infodev/finafcon.htmy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet The Toolkit presents a model of the likely impacts of the Internet on African telecommunications companies and Internet Service Provider revenues, models of the cost structure and potential reach of Internet service, data on the extent of Internet development in Africa and examples of its current use. With this background, the Toolkit goes on to discuss policy choices faced by countries that hope to expand Internet use within the context of needed telecommunications reform and government-private partnerships involving universities and NGOs. Thanks, --Charles Kenny. From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Thu Nov 19 01:07:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26039 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:02:00 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id AAA20276; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:58:33 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA23527; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181519.KAA23527@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: Lshneier@worldbank.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:58:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [GKD] Knowledge Is A Double Edged Sword - A View From South Asia To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO In response to the posting about the difficulties of simply applying knowledge: A Nepali child in a remote hamlet in the Himalayas is dehydrated by diarrhoea, but his young mother is brought up to believe that under no circumstances should water be given to her child. Information countering this belief is contained in posters at rural health centres, and is broadcast over Radio Nepal every day, but the knowledge has not reached her. In a country where 80 percent of all children who die are killed by water-borne diseases, this knowledge gap means the death of thousands of children every month. In all of South Asia, five million children die every year before their fifth birthday from diarrhoeal dehydration, simple infections and measles. Most of these deaths can easily be prevented if knowledge about prevention is more readily available. The challenge is to get the information to where it is needed as cheaply as possible. Only when information helps people communicate, participate and allows them and their rulers to make informed choices does that information become knowledge. I suggest that what is really needed is to build new knowledge, e.g. use of water to deal with diarrhoea, onto local or indigenous knowledge. In the above case, what would have helped this mother was not so much whether or not posters at rural health centers gave new information, but having some local person (midwife etc.) actually explain how this new information would help, how it was possible to do something new without contravening old customs, i.e tell it to the people in ways that would take into account their local beliefs and customs. In this way, new knowledge can be grafted successfully onto old customs. But, the important point is to work together with the local beliefs and customs, not just to say the "new" is "better" than the "old". Lesley Shneier Knowledge Management Officer World Bank. From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Thu Nov 19 01:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26088 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:19:16 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA21364; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:15:53 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA24303; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:11:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181611.LAA24303@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: Roberto Verzola Date: 18 Nov 98 08:13:29 Subject: Re: [GKD] Y2K: World Bank's infoDev Y2K initiatives To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Jacqueline Dubow wrote: >The World Bank provides a range of grants to governments of developing >countries to support their efforts to tackle the Y2K problem. Planning >Grants will support the development/improvement of National Action Plans Questions for Jacqueline and the World Bank: The IMF tells the Philippine government (and presumably other countries as well) that it expects recovery from the financial crisis to begin in 1999 and to be fully well on its way by the year 2000. Does the World Bank agree with this assessment? Don't you think, considering the near-consensus on this list about the mutual interaction between the millennium-bomb and the global financial crisis, that we should prepare more for a worsening instead of a recovery? Roberto Verzola From owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU Thu Nov 19 02:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26276; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:13:44 +0530 Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA24455; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:10:15 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 58327 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67554-6670>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from lists.Princeton.EDU (lists.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.249]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15517; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from server@localhost) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA04932; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-relay-2.corpsoft.com (mail-relay-2.corpsoft.com [208.5.145.196]) by lists.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04916 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes-ma-mta1.hq.corpsoft.com ([208.5.144.17]) by mail-relay-2.corpsoft.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA181 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:37:09 -0500 Received: by notes-ma-mta1.hq.corpsoft.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566C0.00713016 ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:36:18 -0500 Message-Id: <852566C0.00712F3F.00@notes-ma-mta1.hq.corpsoft.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:40:22 -0500 Reply-To: Venkat_Nagesh@corpsoft.com Sender: owner-nathistory-india@lists.Princeton.EDU From: Venkat_Nagesh@corpsoft.com To: Natural History of South Asia - General discussion and research Subject: Project tiger to be enlarged Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-To: Nathistory-india@lists.princeton.edu X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPSOFT X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO A new tiger reserve is going to be set up at Bhadra in Karnataka. This is part of the government initiative to give a boost to Project Tiger, 25 years after its inception. The ministry of environment has decided to create six more tiger reserves during the remaining period of the Ninth Five Year Plan. Another reserve will be created at Pench in Maharashtra. Four other areas will be identified in due course. A three-day national workshop on 25 years of Project Tiger is going to commence in the capital tomorrow. The workshop will assess the impact of the project over the past quarter century and plan strategies for the future. The allocation of funds to Project Tiger has been doubled. As against an allocation of Rs.8 crores during the year 1997-98, the allocation of the year 1998-99 is Rs.17 crores. The Centre has released a fund of Rs.24.190 lakhs towards Project Tiger for the state of Karnataka during 1997-98. The Central government has allocated Rs.3.5 crore for diverting the jaipur-Alwar Highway outside the Sariska tiger reserve. TIGER RESERVES: The network of tiger reserves includes the high mountainous terrain of Arunachal Pradesh, the heavy rainfall areas of Assam and West Bengal, the mangroves of Sunderbans, the dry forests of Rajasthan, the foothills of the Himalayas in Uttar praadesh and Bihar and the central Indian highlands of Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra. The network also includes the plateau of Chhota Nagpur in bihar, the hilly tropical and evergreen forests of Orissa, the evergreen forests of the Western Ghats in Kerala and Karnataka, the dry deciduous forests of Andhra Pradesh and the deciduous forests of Tamil Nadu. The main thrust of the project is protection and reduction of harmful human impacts with a view to comprehensively revive the natural ecosystems in the reserves. During the Ninth Plan, the major thrust would be to enlarge and diversify the activities and consolidate the progress made under this scheme until now. JOB OPPORTUNITIES: The activities under the scheme generate employment for both regular personnel and daily wagers. Apart from direct employment opportunities because of the effective protection and conservation measures inside the reserves, considerable indirect benefits, like arresting erosion, enrichment of the water management therefore improving the water table, provide indirect benefits to the animals and commuities in the neighbourhood of the reserves. BR Hills to be brought under Project Tiger One more forest area in Karnataka is being brought under 'Project Tiger`. Like the Bandipur National Park which is already playing host to the project, the forests of Biligiriranga Hills or BR Hills are also situated in the new district of Chamarajanagar, DHNS adds from Mysore. Revealing this to the correspondent, the Forest Department officials said the decks had been cleared for inclusion of BR Hills in the project, which was established in nine tiger reserves of the country a quarter century ago. The development follows a preliminary visit to BR Hills in March, and another visit recently, by Mr Ranjit Sinh, Director of Tiger Conservation Wing of the World Wildlife Fund. BR Hills was found suitable for getting benefited by Project Tiger as its tigers, numbering 25, were facing danger of extinction, according to a department spokesman. The justification for the area to be brought under the project is to see if with human intervention the number of big cats could increase. What clinched the issue in favour of BR Hills was also the fact that it is surrounded by the forests of Talamalai and Madumalai thereby enhancing the scope for building a tiger corridor. Herbivore population in the area, as also availability of water in abundance, also ruled favourably for BR Hills. The project would bestow an initial grant of Rs.14 lakh on the area which would be spent mostly on infrastructure development. There is no dearth of manpower or vehicles, although the same cannot be said of the wireless sets, a spokesman for the department revealed. There were roughly 500 tigers in the wild when the project was launched in 1973-74 with the preponderant objective of conserving the big cat. Since then there was a three-foldincrease in their numbers. This is more than the threshold level needed, enough to allay fears of the tiger becoming extinct. MILITANT ACTIVITIES: Mid-eighties saw a marginal decline in the tiger population, thanks to the blow dealt on conservation efforts by a sudden spurt in militant activities in Punjab and the north-east. Now the situation changed, although the tiger population remained static with the annual mortality rate of tigers in wilderness matched by their birth rate, both being 40. However, captive breeding of tigers has shown a rise over the years. A senior officer analysed that tigers in the forests of the southern region did not face a major threat from poachers because of them being far removed from China, where there is a huge demand for tiger skin and tiger bones. The Himalayas act as a huge wall between China and India, while the absence of sea route, coupled with the fact that it is not easy to air-lift any contraband because of the intense security at airports, make across-the-border smuggling between the two countries virtually impossible. Tiger products are, therefore, routed through Nepal (from the Jim Corbett National Park), the officer pointed out. It is the proximity of China and Russia which was primarily responsible for the disappearance of the famed Siberian tiger, the officer reasoned out. From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Thu Nov 19 02:27:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26315 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:18:47 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA24708; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:15:19 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA24118; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:04:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181604.LAA24118@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: "Watermeyer, Henry" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:09:04 +200 Subject: Re: [GKD] Y2K: What is to be done? Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO Hi moderators, fellow panelists and readers GKD Moderators wrote: > The discussion of Y2K thus far has been extremely > rich and interesting (if somewhat disconcerting), and offered a wide > range of views regarding the Disconcerting is good, making people feel very uncomfortable would be be better but actually getting some new digits extracted would be first prize!! > potential impacts. Based on the interchange thus far, we would like to > pose some pointed questions to panelists and members: > > * What actual, concrete approaches have been taken -- by you or others > to reduce the negative impact of the Y2K bug? As I have said before there have been a number of actions started in Africa, these include:- - The Cinderalla Project started by the Computer Society of South Africa and run by Chris Anderson is one. - The South African National Year 2000 Decision Support Centre was started last year, very late to publisize the threat - A similar initiative in Kenya started recently - there are other similar initiatives in some other African countries as has been commented on the list. - The South African telecom company and the major power supplier have undertaken to ensure that their services are year 2000 continuous. Local power distributors have not made the same bold statements however but this is likely to be less of a problem. - South African banks and financial service companies have been very active in protecting themselves, and indirectly their customers. - most major corporations have been testing their systems, hence the anecdotes which form the case material for the presentations we do. - at a personal level I have been active both within my University and in the higher education sector generally, making people aware of the dangers and the risks (they are different things!) through the medium of presentations, e-mail, etc. - in the companies and organisations in which I am directlty involved, I have taken steps to ensure that year 2000 preparations are completed. - and of course Karl Fielder started his GMT business in Cape Town, its now London based, so we can claim to have contributed some small thing to solving the y2k problem globally. In short there has been as great deal done in this part of the world and I have only touched on a few aspects. It is interesting to note that Chris A, who is a member of this list, recently suggested that his work as a "prophet of doom" was now done. He claimed that the message was well and truly out there and that commercial interests were now, at last, playing their proper role in providing solutions. Many of these are, without doubt, going to make a quick buck, my year 2000 mainframe test site is charging me the local equivalent of US$ 2000 per day to test my systems which in buying terms is closer to US$ 6000. Some will not deliver what they promise but market forces are at play and those who wake up last will have to pay the price! > * The theory of "Critical Success Factors" holds that organizations > have to do a lot of things, but only 3-5 of those things are > critical to success. What are the 3-5 Critical Success Factors > (CSFs) for reducing the negative impact of the Y2K bug, and > enhancing the likelihood of a smooth transition? This is a hard question. I think that the CSFs for me would be:- - establish risk/impact areas (in house, up stream and down stream) - address the highest risk/impact items - plan for what you can't fix or miss - plan for the failure of service providers - look for opportunities to build your businesses These CSFs would be different for various parts of the economic and governance chain but I think they basically apply to all. > * Given those CSFs, what concrete steps should businesses, NGOs and > government agencies be taking? If they have not already done so they must start by appointing someone with authority and standing in charge of the project. This person, not a committee, must have the authority to make decisions and to ensure that they are followed through. Organsations which have a participative management style may well have to suspend this approach for the moment. The individual must then start the assesment of risk and impact process very fast. Its too late to attempt detailed inventories of Computer Chips so the focus must be on processes and the risks associated with its failure. The high risk, high impact processes must be tackled first and at this stage the existance of computer technology can be established and the appropriate actions planned. The job may well become the most disliked in the organisation with the individual being hated by others, but the only way to make it happen is to give someone the job and enabling them to get on with it. > * What concrete steps should individuals take to prepare themselves for > the possible impact of the Y2K bug? I do not subscribe to the cans of beans and meat in the basement theory. Most of us as individuals must take reasonable precautions. Some ideas:- - accept that power and fuel supplies might be in short supply. Major problem for those in the north but not so much for those of us in the south for whom it will be summer. Fill tanks is what I am suggesting. - make sure that you have a reasonable amount of cash available so that if your local ATM, or credit card authorisation service is off-line you can cope until the banks revert to manual. - don't plan extensive travel over that period and if you have a modern car get it serviced by a dealer so that the on board computers can be flash loaded. - enjoy the holiday Hope this helps. Henry "Ed Yardini is an optimist! He thinks there is only a 70% chance of a y2k triggered recession!" ===================================================================== Subscribe to the IT Digest, an information resource from Wits Univ. Send e-Mail to MAJORDOMO@SUNSITE.WITS.AC.ZA with SUBSCRIBE ITDIGEST and {your_user_id} in the body followed by END on the next line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Henry C Watermeyer 'Phone +27-11-716-3260/8000 Director - Computer & Network services Fax +27-11-339-1225 University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg P/Bag 3, Wits 2050, South Africa mobile +27-(0)82-800-8862 //SunSITE.Wits.ac.za //WWW.Wits.ac.za ====================================================================== From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Thu Nov 19 03:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA26703 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:54:59 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id DAA28368; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:51:35 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA23654; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811181528.KAA23654@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:52:50 +0000 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: "Patrick O'Beirne" Subject: [GKD] Y2K: Embedded systems data Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO I knew I had it somewhere.... >Sender: owner-year2000-announce@year2000.com > >Year2000.com Announcement List, Special Mailing, >August 14, 1998 > >by Jon Huntress >------------ Non-IT Embedded system remediation > >I promised that I would report the reader response to my >July 15th message that I sent to this list regarding >Cargill's "informal" approach to addressing their Y2K embedded >systems problems. The mail ran two to one in favor of Cargill's >plan. Those opposed to it cited two reasons they didn't like it. >The first is the most obvious. They were afraid such a >quick assessment would miss something important and cause a >plant shut down. The second was the interesting observation >that a large or "traditionally" top-down managed company >would have a difficult time with this approach. I agree >with the second point. If a company has never empowered >employees to make decisions on their own before, starting >with an embedded systems assessment is not a very good idea. > >Several companies wrote me to say that the Cargill plan is >almost identical to the plan they have already adopted. >There were many good comments from individuals who would >change the plan in many different ways. The sign of a good >plan is flexibility and adaptability for different >situations. Clint Hartner from Software Engineering >Services in Bellevue, Nebraska didn't like Cargill's >approach because it didn't start with a corporate plan. He >wrote that he would like to see an audit by an outside firm >after the assessment and fix was finished, but with enough >time left before 2000 to fix anything the auditors found. > >Dr. Robert B. Rowen of Austin, Texas said he agreed strongly >with the plan. He said, "I specialize in manufacturing >systems and empathize with the plant floor personnel -- >they'll keep it running no matter what breaks. It is the >plant personnel that can find and fix, not a lot of hired >'experts' or a corporate task force." He added that it is >important to evaluate any business system that uses floor >data. He also recommended hiring a consultant to help >"translate" between management and plant employees. > >Some people didn't like the plan at all and saw no redeeming >value in it. One thought the Cargill plan to be a wicked >joke and questioned the marital status of my parents at the >time of my birth. Another wrote that since there would be >no rail road transportation after 2000, fixing systems on >the plant floor was a moot point. Phil Hannay wrote me >after the article came out. He said, "While some people may >not interpret it right, I think you made it clear that >consultants are okay to use. My point was that working out >the program with a consultant or getting bids takes a lot of >precious time, and it can be done in parallel to just >getting started. After all, the survey info will be needed >anyway no matter what program you set up and go with." > >I would still like to hear from anyone out there on how your >non-IT (embedded systems) assessments are going and anything >that has proved valuable. Just e-mail me at jon@year2000.com. > >Now I will address what one company (Tava) is finding as >they work on the non-IT assessments of a number of large >businesses. Bill Heerman of Tava's Denver office presented >the session in Chicago. Mr. Heerman reported on four of the >companies his company was helping. They are working with a >major food processing company, a major automaker, a major >soft drink company and a major pharmaceutical manufacturer. >Because of contract agreements, Mr. Heerman couldn't name >the companies. Mr. Heerman began by using the illustration >of an iceberg and comparing the non-IT area of manufacturing >to be like the big (underwater) part of the iceberg -- an >apt metaphor for titanic times. He gave a couple of >examples of IT personnel at companies saying, "That's not my >job," when asked to help with embedded systems issues. Then >he made the comment that while traditional IT counts the >money, it is non-IT that MAKES the money. Finding the >embedded systems is everyone's job because everyone's job >depends on finding and fixing the systems. > >Brainstorm devoted several days of the Chicago conference to >the non-IT aspects of the year 2000 problem. I am not going >to attempt to cover the methodology and tools used for >non-IT assessment and remediation. If you want to know how >they do it, just call some of the vendors or go to the next >Brainstorm conference in New York (Aug. 31-Sept. 2) What I >will cover in this issue are the numbers that Mr. Heerman >released on the overall difficulty of each project, what >they think it will cost and how long they think it will take >for four different major companies. > > >------------ Case Study #1: The pharmaceutical company > >The pharmaceutical company has global operations in 39 >countries. In addition to their manufacturing systems, they >have laboratory systems, along with their facility systems >(and their external dependencies). One fully integrated >complex was done. 4,457 items were inventoried and of these >2,618 were unique. 392 were in the Lab, 980 were in the >facility, 837 were in manufacturing, and 409 were found in >external relations. > >The results were that 18% of the more than 4000 items were >found to be non-compliant and 17% would cause a plant >shutdown or would affect production. > > >In the lab, 18% of the hardware was non-compliant and 27% of >the software needed to be fixed. 36% of the custom code was >non-compliant. 8% of the suppliers of these non-compliant >systems were no longer in business and 11% of the suppliers >would not supply an upgrade except with the purchase of a >new model. > >Of the manufacturing systems, 16% of the hardware and 22% of >the software was non-compliant. 41% of the custom code >wasn't compliant either. 9% of the suppliers were out of >business and 18% would not provide upgrades except through >new models. > >In the company's facilities, 18% of the hardware and 33% of >the software was non-compliant. 29% of the custom code was >non-compliant. 11% of the suppliers were no longer in >business and 21% wouldn't upgrade except for new models. > >In the external dependencies, 12% of the hardware, 25% of >the software, and 27% of the custom code was non-compliant. >5% of the suppliers were out of business and 9% wouldn't >upgrade except through new models. > >The chance of these facilities failing was 70% for the lab, >80% for manufacturing and facilities, and 90% for the >external dependencies. This means that without any >remediation at all, total plant failure is a very good bet. >It was estimated that seven out of nine manufacturing lines >would stop running within the first 3-4 days, and the network >and telecommunications equipment wouldn't work. Security >systems would admit anyone with any credit card and the >in-plant power substation would fail along with municipal >water. > >For just one plant, the inventory is expected to take eight >weeks and the analysis is expected to take five weeks. Risk >assessment is expected to take two weeks. Inventory and >analysis would cost $487,000. The estimated time to fix is >43 weeks and the estimated cost is $1,200,000. For all 125 >plants, the inventory and analysis would take 39 weeks and >the cost would be $11.5 million. The fix would take 31 >weeks and the cost was estimated at 54.8 million. > > >------------ Case Study #2: The major beverage company > >The major beverage company has global operations that >include 47 plants in 21 countries. The company has > >manufacturing systems and laboratory systems along with >facility systems. There is also a lot of Eastern European >and Russian equipment in the plants. Nine plants were done >in a pilot project. 3,819 items were inventoried and 894 >were unique. 210 were in the lab, 304 were in facilities >and 380 were in manufacturing. 24% were non-compliant and >28% of them would affect production. > >In the lab, 34 % of the hardware, 26% of the software and >39% of the custom code was non-compliant. 16% of the >suppliers were out of business and 34% of the suppliers of >non-compliant products did not offer upgrades except through >new models. 35% of the equipment would have to be replaced. > >In manufacturing, 26% of the hardware, 23% of the software >and 33% of the custom code wasn't compliant. 15% of the >suppliers were no longer in business and 21% offered no >upgrades except for new equipment. > >In the facilities, 9% of the hardware and 6% of the software >was not compliant. There was no custom code. 19% of the >suppliers were out of business but 40% of the technology was >old and manually operated. > >The inventory and assessment took 20 weeks and cost >$893,000. Time to fix was estimated at 35 weeks and the >cost at $2.9 million. > >For all 47 plants, the inventory and assessment was >estimated to take 25 weeks and cost $4.9 million with the >fix taking 29 weeks and the cost estimated to be $23.4 >million. > > >------------ Case Study #3: A major automotive manufacturer > >The major automotive manufacturer has global operations with >162 plants in 41 countries. Two plants were done in a pilot >project. 1,389 items were inventoried with 435 of them >being unique. 131 items were in the facility, 254 in >manufacturing and 50 in external dependencies. 16% were >found to be non-compliant and 6% could cause a serious plant >shutdown. > >In the manufacturing systems, 11% of the hardware, 19% of >the software and 37% of the custom code was non-compliant, >but this time all the suppliers were still in business. 18% >of the suppliers would not provide an upgrade except through >a new model. > >In the facilities, 17% of the hardware, 19% of the software, >and 42% of the custom code was non-compliant. 7% of the >suppliers were no longer in business and 21% would not >provide an upgrade except through a new model. > >The greatest threat to this client was the supply chain with >more than 60,000 suppliers. Of these, 7,500 suppliers are >critical to the manufacturing process. 30 suppliers were >investigated and only 6 had active and defined year 2000 >programs. The other 24 maintained that they were already >compliant. After testing, 46% of these were projected as >non-compliant. > >The inventory and analysis of the two plants took nine weeks >and cost $221,000. The fix was estimated to take 12 weeks >and cost $1.1 million. For all 162 plants, the inventory >and analysis was estimated to take 31 weeks and cost $13.6 >million, with the fix taking 58 weeks and costing $72.2 >million. The risk assessment for the plant projected that >3 out of 4 of the manufacturing lines would stop running in >the first 2 days. The networks and communications would >fail, and the security systems would refuse to admit anyone. >One of the two power substations would fail and the city's >sewer removal system would fail and could not be upgraded. > > >------------ Case Study #4: The petroleum company > >The final large client was a global petroleum company with >18 plants all located in the United States. The systems >identified were quality systems, manufacturing systems and >energy management systems. The pilot project was an >inventory and assessment of a catalytic cracker and the >co-generation plant. The tie-on system with the local grid >was also included. > >1,035 items were inventoried and 514 of these were unique. >365 were in manufacturing and 149 in external dependencies. >21% were not compliant and 6% would cause serious plant >shutdowns or affect production negatively. > >The results for the manufacturing systems were that 11% of >the hardware, 14% of the software and 23% of the custom code >was non-compliant. 2% of the suppliers were no longer in >business and 12% of the suppliers would not supply an >upgrade except through purchase of new models. > >For the quality systems, 24% of the hardware, 29% of the >software and 29% of the custom code was found to be >non-compliant. All suppliers were still in business but 16% >would not provide upgrades except through new models. The >risk of failure was put at 60%. > >For the co-generation plant's results, 19% of the hardware, >36% of the software, and 24% of the custom code wasn't >compliant. 13% of the products were no longer made. In >this case, the energy management system tied into the local >grid that was non-compliant and couldn't be upgraded. Some >of the more interesting findings were that the catalytic >cracker would fail and the refinery could no longer make >gasoline. One of the more troublesome findings was that the >analyzers would continue to work but would send erroneous >data. The proprietary networks from the control systems to >the analyzers would fail. The inventory and analysis would >take 7 weeks and cost $122,000. The conversion for two >units would take an estimated 15 weeks and cost $760,000. > > >------------ In Summary > >In an overview of all these facilities, problems were found >in the sensors & analyzers, lab equipment, programmable >Control Systems, embedded systems, SCADA systems >(Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition), distributed >control systems, human-to-machine-interfaces (HMI's), >networks, computers, third party applications, and Operating >Systems. > >Mr. Heerman also noted that they had found that some of the >vendor compliance statements were incorrect. Some pieces of >equipment the vendor had claimed to be compliant had failed. >One piece of equipment successfully made the January 1, 2000 >transition and was allowed to continue. Just over a month >later, when checked again, the date on the equipment was >January 34! This points out the need for continued testing, >especially at the system level. > >Mr. Heerman also indicated that Tava has found that the >single most important thing that can make a year 2000 >project successful is the degree to which executive >management is involved. > >The projected risk levels for failure of all the units of >these companies was between 60% and 90% if the non-IT parts >of the business were not found and fixed. I think the main >difference between the Cargill and Tava plans is the level >of thoroughness in the inventory and assessment phase. > >Also, a company like Tava has access to a large database of >compliant and non-compliant devices that might not be >available to individual companies. > >An open question is the same one I posed in my coverage of >Cargill's approach. Is 90% assessment and inventory with >work-arounds for the rest good enough? One person wrote me >and said it was similar to a house losing 10% of its nails. >I agreed with him because I used to make houses. If a house >loses 10% of its nails over the entire house, it won't fall >down. Other than some more squeaks, probably no one would >notice any difference. That's because most houses are >overbuilt by a factor of at least 50%. But what if the 10% >of nails were all in one corner of the house, or just in >the floor joists? Then the house would fall down, or become >uninhabitable. Some companies will fail because of >this. For them, 90% won't be good enough because the nails >they lost were the ones that held the place together. > >Usually, one nail doesn't make that much difference. But >sometimes it does. I'm reminded of the quote: "For want of >a nail, the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe, the horse was >lost. For want of a horse, the rider was lost. For want of >a rider, the battle was lost." > >It will be really interesting to see what ultimately comes >out of this. > >Best practices, >Jon Huntress >jon@year2000.com > >The Year 2000 Information Center >http://www.year2000.comg/infodev/finafcon.htmy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet > > >This coverage is Copyright 1998 Year2000.com Partnership ------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick O'Beirne B.Sc. M.A. MICS. Year 2000 & euro Consultant PSP, TickIT, Y2K PC software assessment, euro(EMU) conversion http://www.iol.ie/sysmod/infodev/finafcon.htmy-list-archive/tm&text_modeodeeet Tel: +353 (0)55 22294 Fax: 22297 Systems Modelling Ltd, Tara Hill, Gorey, Co. 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Washington, DC) Cc: Scientific forum on fish and fisheries , FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Sender: owner-FISH-ECOLOGY@helios.ulpgc.es Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Madeleine Hall-Arber Status: R EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AMERICAN FISHERIES SOCIETY The American Fisheries Society seeks an Executive Director for its international headquarters in Bethesda, Maryland. The Society is a nonprofit, 128-year-old scientific and professional association of 8,500 members, 25 staff, and $2.5 million annual budget whose mission is to improve the conservation and sustainability of fisheries resources and aquatic ecosystems. The Executive Director is responsible for managing central operations, supporting member initiatives, fund-raising, promoting fisheries conservation and aquatic stewardship, and advancing fisheries professionalism. This individual reports to a Governing Board of elected members; implements Board policies in concert with members, other nongovernmental organizations, and government agencies; and acts as a public spokesperson for the Society. Candidates should have broad knowledge of fisheries, aquaculture, and aquatic resource issues; at least 15 years professional experience in natural resource positions of progressively increasing responsibility; excellent organizational, interpersonal, and communication skills; and experience in governmental relations. An advanced degree in natural resources or related fields is highly desirable, and certification in association management is desirable. Salary and benefits commensurate with experience. Closing date: January 14, 1999. Request an application package from R. L. 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If you have problems to unsubscribe or other queries you may reach the FE-tream at : fish-ecology-request@helios.ulpgc.es Thank you ******************************************************************** From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 02:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28046 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:08:54 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA18023; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:05:41 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA09684; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:16:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811141916.OAA09684@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:28:04 -0500 From: PETER_CROAL@acdi-cida.gc.ca (PETER CROAL) Subject: [GKD] CIDA Handbook on Traditional Knowledge To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: The Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) is developing a handbook on traditional knowledge. At the Global Knowledge conference last year in Toronto, Mme Hugette Labelle, president of CIDA, as part of her address made these remarks. "Indigenous peoples embody knowledge, even wisdom, that we have lost, or never had. Their loss would impoverish us for, just as the world needs genetic diversity of species, it needs diversity of knowledge systems." In keeping with the spirit of these remarks, and to respect the Convention on Biological Diversity and the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, the Environmental Assessment and Compliance Unit of Policy Branch of CIDA developed and released a draft discussion document in 1997 called Guidelines for Environmental Assessments and Traditional Knowledge. To follow-up on the applications that the Guidelines have had, CIDA is now developing a handbook on traditional knowledge for CIDA officers and its partners. Dr. Alan Emery of KIVU Nature Inc., Ottawa, has been contracted to develop a draft handbook for CIDA. A web site is ready to assist in the development of the handbook. It is at www.kivu.com/. The original draft guidelines are on this site. You are invited to share your views on the discussion material currently posted and on the handbook itself. If you have further questions about this project, please contact Peter Croal, CIDA project manager at (819) 953-9129 tel, (819) 953-3348 fax, or Peter_Croal@acdi-cida.gc.ca Thank you very much. I hope you will be able to particpate in this project. Peter Croal CIDA From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 02:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28042 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:08:47 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id CAA18010; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:05:33 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA09888; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811141920.OAA09888@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: snkarim@citechco.net Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:06:58 +0600 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: Re: [GKD] Y2K: Level-headed documentation? Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: Dear Mr. Acevedo, I have recently come across a book (advised by my former instructor, Professor Dave Miller, (http://cswww.bemidji.msus.edu/~dmiller/homepage.htmlNotebookMemorycdmodeodeeet) called "Time Bomb 2000!" by Ed & Jennifer Yourdon. It is "aimed at aimed at ordinary people, including our family, our neighbors, our friends, and all the millions of people who use computers ...". "...this book asks the question: what if the computer industry doesn't manage to fix the Y2000 problem successfully? How serious a problem could it be, and what should your fallback plan be?..." The authors then move on to say, "...we've tried to describe plausible scenarios, allow you to evaluate the likelihood of their occurrence, and then offer some suggestions for responding to those scenarios." In their suggestions, the authors have divided their them into four broad categories: actions to be taken in cases of (1) Very short time disruptions, 1-3 days (2) Month long disruptions (3) Year long disruptions & (4) Disruptions lasting a decade or longer. Unfortunately, the book is longer than 50 pages but it is a very easy-read book. Is is superbly written. One of the authors himself is involved in providing services for Y2K planning. I would highly recommend this book to anyone interested to know about the Y2K problem and planning for it. A plus point of the book is that it has cross references to websites and all that it claims is supported by proofs available on the internet. The book itself was on the net when it was undergoing changes for its second edition (The first edition had 10+ printings). You may contact the author at ed@yourdon.com or visit his webpage at http://www.yourdon.com/index.htm.iller/homepage.htmlNotebookMemorycdmodeodeeet You can also download presentations on Y2K from his site. Hope this helps. Manuel Acevedo wrote: > ...now I would like to > look at a more comprehensive analysis of the situation. I wonder if any of > you could point me to a document (hopefully not more than 50 pages long) > that would help me to really understand what is at stake. Preferably from > a level-headed perspective, so I could trust the analysis and not just the > instincts. > > ...Finally, if the consensus over > the M-bomb is that it will be a powerful and wide-ranging bomb, then > should a Disaster Management approach be taken? > > Manuel Acevedo > United Nations Volunteers > Bonn From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 02:13:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28015 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:02:07 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA17785; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:58:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA09025; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:03:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811141903.OAA09025@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:39:21 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: John Walker Subject: [GKD] Unlikely Cyber-cafe Brings Internet to Poverty-stricken Haiti Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: On-line Learning Series of Courses for 15 November 98 http://www.bestnet.org/~jwalker/course.htmepage.htmlNotebookMemorycdmodeodeeet How to Search the World Wide Web Level 2 Creating web pages with HTML Level 1 Creating web pages with HTML Level 2 Effective Use of E-Mail Using Eudora Pro Level 2 Using Pegasus Mail for Windows Level 1 Using Netscape Messenger Level 1 Using Netscape Messenger Level 3 Using Netscape Messenger Level 4 (a) --------------- Unlikely Cyber-cafe Brings Internet to Poverty-stricken Haiti SHELLEY EMLING c.1998 Cox News Service http://nytsyn.com/IMDS%7CCND7%7Cread%7C/home/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet nytsyn/1998/11/10/cndin/2617-0253-pat_nytimes%7C/home/content/users/im ds/feeds/nytsyn/1998/11/10/cndin/2628-0259-pat_nytimes%7C/home/content /users/imds/feeds/nytsyn/1998/11/10/cndin/2538-0179-pat_nytimes%7C%7C          PETIONVILLE, Haiti -- Think cafe. Think trendy. Think computers. Think people with a penchant for khakis and loafers who live to surf the Internet.          Starring on the menu: espresso and cappuccino, of course.          What is this, Seattle? No, it's a cyber-cafe -- and it's located in Haiti.          The aptly-named Computer World is sandwiched between a pizza parlor and a gas station in this tiny suburb, high on a mountainside overlooking -- but distanced from -- the squalor and grime of Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince.          It's an understatement to say that the business looks keenly out of place in this country, where phone and electric service is spotty, and most people battle with the daily dilemmas of finding safe water and decent sanitation.          But, clearly, Computer World is a hit.          Nearly a dozen terminals with Internet access line the walls inside this nondescript, two-story building, which is air-conditioned -- a rarity here -- and decorated with space age-style wallpaper covered with colorful drawings of the solar system.          The building includes a full-service coffee bar, as well as a store, where everything from mouse pads to fax machines -- all imported from discount chains in Miami -- is sold.          On a recent weekday, the building was crowded with well-heeled patrons who sent e-mail on computers that might cost the average Haitian more than five years of their income.          ``I can e-mail my friends back in the United States so I don't have to send a letter, which would take 15 days to get there,'' said Nadine Seide, 28. ``I also use the computer to do research on all of the graduate schools in the United States, where I plan to study one day.''          Seide recently graduated from college here, but has never owned a computer and, even if she did, she couldn't access the Internet since the phone at her house hasn't worked in six months.          Like Seide, many customers linger for hours at Computer World, which has a cozy, living-room atmosphere, as part of a ritual that has become as essential to the day's routine as combing hair.          They sip java, play games on CD-ROM, nosh on chicken nuggets, and catch up with old friends.          For sure, Computer World's not the domain of Everyman, but is clearly geared toward Haiti's moneyed elite and expatriate community.          Credit for Computer World's success goes to Jonas Guillaume, an ambitious entrepreneur who opened the cyber-cafe in July 1997.          And he'll take the credit with an American-style smile, proud of opening the high-tech haven in such a low-tech environment.          ``I was born in Haiti and I just wanted to give something back by helping people,'' said Guillaume, 32, who studied computer science at the University of Montreal before living a few years in Miami. ``And the people are just so happy to have something like this available to them.''          As the Western Hemisphere's poorest country, Haiti is generally associated with malnutrition, not technology.          A majority of the population can't read or write, which explains why, when computer networks were shrinking time and space in the developed world, most folks here had never even heard of an information superhighway.          Today, only some 5,000 Haitians have access to the Internet through four main servers available through private companies.          Still, there are some fledgling efforts underway to expand the use of computers.          The Haitian government is currently developing an intranet to connect their various ministries, which has been implemented across corporate America at a feverish pace.          And several computer schools have been opened in Port-au-Prince, teaching crowded classrooms everything from Lotus to Microsoft.          ``Clearly people are starting to understand that the computer is the way of the future and that they will be left behind if they don't know technology,'' said Michelle Karshan, a spokeswoman for Haitian President Rene Preval.          In recent years, widespread use of the Internet has been hampered by the phone service provided by Teleco, Haiti's aging monopoly, which is so poor that there are fewer than 80,000 phone lines to serve 8 million people.          Many of the more than 100,000 people currently waiting for phone service have been waiting for years.          And those lucky enough to already have phone service may lose their line for months after a big rain.          Service costs $10 a month in a nation where the average per-capita income is $250.          Under the country's economic reform program, Teleco is supposed to pass to private hands.          But all such deals need the prime minster's signature and the former prime minister, Rosny Smarth, resigned in June 1997 and has yet to be replaced.          ``There's a political impasse that's going to continue to hold up investment and privatization,'' said Ernest Preeg, U.S. ambassador to Haiti from 1981 to 1983.          That hasn't stopped Computer World, which avoids Teleco's ground-based phone lines by using a router that picks up satellite signals to make connections.          Computer World also uses a generator and battery-powered inverter to avoid the common power outages plaguing the country.          All of this has contributed to the cyber-cafe's rising popularity.          At Computer World, Guillaume has sold memberships to more than 120 people for about $35 a month, for which they receive an e-mail address and mailbox, plus 20 hours of Internet access.          Non-members can access the Internet for about $5 an hour.          He also offers six-week training classes, at a cost of about $300, for Internet novices.          And there are plenty of them.          Even many professionals here, such as doctors, lawyers, and engineers, know almost nothing about surfing the World Wide Web.          ``I have people come in from the university asking me what the Internet is and about how to use it, and I'm happy to be able to teach them,'' Guillaume said.          That's good news for people like Ida Morel, a nurse's aide eager to learn how to use computers to do medical research.          ``Computers are not something we grow up with here, so having Computer World is great,'' she said. ``I can come in, experiment with computers, ask questions and get all the help I need.'' ------------- Also in this issue: - Netscape Plans New Browser Engine [November 10, 1998] Netscape Communications Corp. Tuesday announced new technology, code-named NGT, which will serve as the foundation for all of its future client releases. - Report from Silicon Valley/ What the Web needs is 'grammar' Coming from nowhere, and in under five years, the Web has sneaked up and forced just about everyone to change the way they do things. - UK: Diana virtual unreality on Charles Website It was Prince Charles' idea to set up his own Website - China's Speech Pioneer To Head Microsoft Lab A Chinese pioneer in speech recognition will lead Microsoft's first Asian research laboratory. - Gore unveils a ``Vietnam Wall'' for the Internet WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Al Gore, stressing the need to remember and understand the Vietnam War, today announced the creation of the ``virtual wall'' -- an Internet version of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. - HTML Virus Harmless -- So Far The latest -- and potentially most dangerous -- threat to Internet users is a Web-based virus that enters computers just by visiting a Web page. - Unlikely Cyber-cafe Brings Internet to Poverty-stricken Haiti    PETIONVILLE, Haiti -- Think cafe. Think trendy. Think computers. Think people with a penchant for khakis and loafers who live to surf the Internet. - Saudi sets cost limits for Internet access Saudi Arabia has set limits on the prices Internet users can be charged when the Web debuts in the kingdom next month. - New Lists and Journals * NEW: pctoolbin discusses PC maintenance problems and solutions * NEW: cancercure discusses alternative treatments & cures * NEW: pcdiagnostics newsletter for PC Diagnostic & maintenance solutions On-line Learning Series of Courses http://www.bestnet.org/~jwalker/course.htmme/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet Member: Association for International Business ------------------------------- Excerpt from CSS Internet News (tm) ,-~~-.____ For subscription details email / | ' \ jwalker@hwcn.org with ( ) 0 SUBINFO CSSINEWS in the \_/-, ,----' subject line. ==== // / \-'~; /~~~(O) "On the Internet no one / __/~| / | knows you're a dog" =( _____| (_________| http://www.bestnet.org/~jwalker/course.htmme/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet ------------------------------- From energy@renewables.ca Sun Nov 15 06:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA28397 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:54:04 +0530 Received: from cyberus.ca by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id FAA28931; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:50:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from renewables.ca (ip183.ts4.mn.dialup.ottawa.cyberus.ca [209.195.84.183]) by cyberus.ca (8.8.8/Cyberus Online Inc) with ESMTP id QAA17086; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:52:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <364DF1E1.3B0BF1E5@renewables.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:10:58 -0500 From: Canadian Association for Renewable Energies Organization: Canadian Association for Renewable Energies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energy@renewables.ca Subject: TRENDS in RENEWABLE ENERGIES, issue #56 for November 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: TRENDS in RENEWABLE ENERGIES issue #56 for November 16 An overview of how renewable energies are moving ahead, and how conventional sources are trying to keep up. It is a 'heads up' service; further details or contacts are not available at this time. Archives of TRENDS are posted on http://www.renewables.cajwalker/course.htmme/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet (subscription to TRENDS is free) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IN THIS ISSUE: U-S Government Will Fund More Work in Renewables Wind Power Development Gets Support in China U-S Groups say 500 Million Houses can be Powered by Wind Green Power Really Is Worth More than Brown New Wind Plants Begin Operation in Alberta More U-S Consumers Support Renewables New Choices for Electricity Consumers in Pennsylvania Solar Plant Planned for Pennsylvania Renewables Are Offered in Texas Energy Plan Nebraska Utility Picks up Customers for Wind Danish Wind Industry Looks at Sites off British Coast New York Gives Millions for Wind Projects Iowa Goes for Wind Project Number Two Swedish Nuclear Plant Wins 'Green' Certificate Chile Says Hydro Startup May Be in Jeopardy Incentive for Wind in Argentina Is Not Dead Yet Cogen Plant to Be 550 MW Salmon to Spawn below Bonneville Dam Israeli Firm to Build Geothermal Plant in Kenya China to Tap Geothermal Energy Hydro Potential Seen as Significant in China Environmental Office Goes Green Ohio Utility to Spend Millions to Increase Capacity Hydro-Quebec Opens U-S Office to Promote Clean Power Building the Green Power Infrastructure Hydro and Thermal Plants Sell for Billions EIA Reduces Estimate for 1998 Natural Gas Prices Flywheel Receives Certification AEP Installs Flywheel from Active Power Rural China Goes for Clean Energy Nominees for Climate Change Action Strategic Alliance Made on Fuel Cells Congress Can Avoid Repeat of Electricity Price Spikes China and Australia Sign Energy Agreement Chinese Thermal Plant Becomes a Giant Air Pollution Will Surge Without Curbs Energy Waste by U-S Government Costs Billions Europe and Developing Countries Discuss Plan for Climate Tax Canada to Have GHG Credits Soon Fuel Cells Moving into Role for Home Power Plants Court slams E-U Commission on East's nuclear safety U-S Restores Anti-terrorist Program for Nuclear Plants Pakistan Settles Dispute With Power Producers Bangladesh Initiates Power Generation Projects Solar Lighting System Introduced by African Company Uganda's Excess Generation Looking for Somewhere to Go U-S Group Continues Opposition to Kyoto Protocol Gas Study Sees Strong Growth in Industrial Markets Heating Expected to Rise in U-S This Winter Energy Tidbits - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - U-S Government Will Fund More Work in Renewables DoE is inviting applications for information dissemination, public outreach, training and related technical activities in renewable energies and energy conservation. Funding is designed to accelerate adoption of renewable energy technologies; the final solicitation will be released in December, with applications due January 5 or March. Renewable technologies include biomass, geothermal, hydrogen, PV, solar building, concentrating solar power and wind. Conservation areas include energy efficiency in transportation, buildings, industry and the federal sector. -- Wind Power Development Gets Support in China China expects total generating capacity of wind to reach 1 million kW by 2000, and has installed small wind generators with a total capacity of 20,000 kW and 15 large windfarms with combined capacity of 30,000 kW. China can manufacture 30,000 generators a year, and has total wind energy resources estimated at 253 million kW. -- U-S Groups say 500 Million Houses can be Powered by Wind Greenpeace and the American / European wind associations say that concerted action by governments could install one million megawatts of wind power worldwide within two decades, enough to power 500 million households. Released in Buenos Aires, the study concludes that there are no geographical or technical constraints on expanding wind from its present 0.11% to 10% of global electricity supply within 20 years, and that such power would reduce annual CO2 emissions by 232 million tonnes in 2010. Achievement of a 10% target needs a fair marketplace more than subsidies. North America has the highest wind potential on earth, but U-S wind provides less than 1% of electricity, while Denmark is close to 10% with an official target of 50% by 2030. U-S tax credits for wind producers expire in 1999 and have not been extended. -- Green Power Really Is Worth More than Brown The market price for green power in the U-S Automated Power Exchange system has been consistently higher than conventional electricity in California, and prices in the APX Green Power Market have been less volatile. Sellers have received a daily average market premium of $3 to $7 per MWh for green power when compared to the daily average price. "Green producers reap an immediate benefit from higher prices, and developers have an incentive to build new renewable facilities instead of simply building another plant that burns fossil fuel," says APX. Renewable energy buyers receive a credit of $15/MWh from the state for all green power. Generators sell to a diversified set of buyers without negotiating separate contracts with each one. Suppliers are independent renewable providers who are not under contract to utility companies. The APX Green Power Market matches renewable producers with retailers who want to provide green power to customers. Buyers and sellers lock in positions up to a week ahead, which reduces price volatility. Only certified renewable resources are eligible for funding from the Renewable Resources Trust Fund (wind, solar, geothermal, biomass, landfill gas, and small hydro less than 30 MWh). -- New Wind Plants Begin Operation in Alberta Two wind turbines have been connected to the grid in Alberta, and Vision Quest Windelectric says the Vestas turbines (44-m blades atop 50-m towers) can supply green power to 600 homes, and help Calgary's utility and Suncor Energy offset greenhouse gas emissions. The units were installed in less than six weeks; the entire process (from planning + permits) took six months. A five-year contract will provide up to 350,000 kWh each year. Turbines in Alberta generate most of Canada's 30 MW of installed wind capacity; another 100 MW is planned in 1999. The province has 1,700 MW of high resources, and 16,000 MW of low potential. Ten percent of Alberta's electricity capacity would require 500 wind turbines, each occupying 70 m2 of land. Global installed capacity exceeds 7,500 MW, with annual growth of 20% (1,500 MW); U-S capacity is 2,000 MW, with 800 MW coming on- line in 1999. -- More U-S Consumers Support Renewables Customers of Southwestern Public Service in Texas and parts of New Mexico, Oklahoma and Kansas, have joined other utilities in strongly endorsing renewable energies and energy efficiency. -- New Choices for Electricity Consumers in Pennsylvania Green Mountain Energy has introduced three new products for the electricity market in Pennsylvania, which are designed to meet customer demand for clean power and bring new renewable power on-line. -- Solar Plant Planned for Pennsylvania Green Mountain Energy and Sun Power Electric will build a 50-kW solar plant for Pennsylvania. Each day, more solar energy falls onto Earth than could be consumed by its 6 billion inhabitants in 27 years. Solar technology is used by more than 200,000 U-S homeowners, and is the word's fastest growing energy source. Green Mountain will build additional solar capacity in the state as customers sign up for green electricity. -- Renewables Are Offered in Texas Energy Plan The Public Utility Commission in Texas has ruled that utilities can offer an option for customers to purchase power from renewable energies. Public meetings underscored that customers want the ability to purchase electricity generated from solar, wind, hydro and landfill gas. The PUC ruling allows utilities to set a price for renewables that covers the cost of acquiring the energy, plus marketing and administrative expenditures to a maximum of 20% in the first two years and 10% after that. If renewables cost more than the existing generation mix, customers will pay a monthly premium. Utilities must file tariffs to identify the specific price elements, and must purchase renewable energies from Texas or neighbouring states. They must provide information about the renewable option, and provide annual reports on its status and the use of funds. The rule does not require every utility to offer a renewable energy tariff, but the PUC expressed hope that every one would do so. Currently, less than 1% of Texas generation is produced using renewable energy. -- Nebraska Utility Picks up Customers for Wind Lincoln Electric is building a 660 kW wind turbine to serve more than 1,400 customers (of 106,000 total) who have signed a three-year commitment to purchase green power. The project has been fully subscribed since May, and the public utility is billing customers at $4.30 per subscription unit for 100 kW, down from $6.00, based on the expectation of a subsidy from the U-S DoE. The Vestas generator cost $1 million and will produce 1.7 million kWh of electricity. Lincoln Electric is a partner in another wind project, where two 750 kW turbines are operational. -- Danish Wind Industry Looks at Sites off British Coast The gusty west coast of Britain has been identified by Denmark as a good market for offshore wind stations. Wind power is growing at 25% per year, and the industry wants to provide one-tenth of global electricity needs by 2017. Denmark's environment minister says his country captures 8% of electricity from 4,000 turbines, but there is opposition to wind power in Britain from people who want to preserve natural landscape. Due to growing complaints that Britain's 400 turbines are cluttering the countryside with 30-m towers, the government wants to develop 800 offshore units. In Denmark, 100,000 households pay about $6,000 to become co-owners in wind projects and receive dividends from the power produced. Officials note that nuclear grew from zero to 17% of overall power production in 30 years, and that a 10% share for wind within 20 years is feasible. -- New York Gives Millions for Wind Projects The New York State Energy Research + Development Authority says $5.8 million dollars will be made available to co-fund wind energy development in the state. -- Iowa Goes for Wind Project Number Two A municipal utility in Waverly has started construction of a second wind energy facility located near Alta, Iowa. -- Swedish Nuclear Plant Wins 'Green' Certificate Sweden's Forsmark nuclear plant has been awarded a European stamp of environmental approval; others could follow suit. -- Chile Says Hydro Startup May Be in Jeopardy Chilean utility Endesa says it may miss the scheduled start-up date for its Ralco hydro project if work does not start soon. -- Incentive for Wind in Argentina Is Not Dead Yet A political fight has erupted between Argentina's Congress and President Menim over a new law to boost the markets for wind power, which was to have been implemented this month. -- Cogen Plant to Be 550 MW CMS Energy and DTE Energy will build a $240 million, 550 MW cogeneration plant in Michigan, to supply electricity and steam to Ford Motor. -- Salmon to Spawn below Bonneville Dam Bonneville Power is betting on a wet winter, and has agreed to increase flows in the lower Columbia River to raise water levels that will facilitate spawning for local salmon. -- Israeli Firm to Build Geothermal Plant in Kenya Kenya Power will pay $172 million to Ormat Turbines to build a 100 MW geothermal power plant, and to operate it for 20 years. With a minimum output of 64 MW, the plant would make $860 million over the life of the contract. -- China to Tap Geothermal Energy There are more than 3,000 geothermal springs in China, of which two-thirds have water temperature over 25 o C, and total installed geothermal capacity of 28.6 kW. -- Hydro Potential Seen as Significant in China China will expand its hydro generation capacity by 5 million kW each year from 2000 to 2010, to exploit a potential of 376 million kW. Current hydro capacity is only 13.8% of potential, and plans call for capacity of 70 million kW by 2000 and 125 by 2010, or 33% of potential. China has 23 large hydro projects operating or under construction, thanks to $4 billion of foreign funds. In the past 50 years, generating capacity and annual output have risen from 163,000 kW and 710 million kWh to the present 52.17 million kW and 186.8 billion kWh, respectively. China ranks third in hydro capacity and production in the world. -- Environmental Office Goes Green The Environmental Defense Fund is the first association in California to switch to green electricity, choosing Green Mountain Energy's 'Wind for the Future' option that contains 75% renewable energy from new wind turbines being constructed near Palm Springs. Each 700 kW turbine offsets 190 tonnes of CO2 and one tonne of NOx each year. Green Mountain will build a new turbine for every 3,800 residential customer who sign up, adding that the 'new' content of the Wind program is being doubled from 10 to 20%. This fall, the EDF and the Natural Resources Defense Council urged their 100,000 members to choose green power products. -- Ohio Utility to Spend Millions to Increase Capacity FirstEnergy will spend $43 million to buy the balance of a 438 MW pumped-storage hydro station, to increase generation capacity for use during peak periods. -- Hydro-Quebec Opens U-S Office to Promote Clean Power Hydro-Quebec has opened an office in Pittsburgh to offer energy services to utilities in northeast states. The provincial utility the U-S avoids 2.4 million tonnes of CO2 from buying its hydropower. Hydro-Quebec has total capacity of 37,000 MW and generates 96% of Quebec's electricity; it also owns 46% of the province's largest gas distributor. -- Building the Green Power Infrastructure (copyright by Hoffman Publications) The emergence of green power may be the one sure winner of the electric power industry deregulation experience to date. Signs on the horizon indicate that green power is more than a short-term trend. Major energy companies are making significant investments in developing renewable power sources. Meanwhile, commercial and industrial customers are embracing the use of green power as a valuable marketing tool to attract environmentally conscious consumers. Even bureaucracy is emerging, a sure sign that green power is becoming an institution. Some of the biggest developments in green power infrastructure building have been in the area of wind power. Enron Energy Services is building a 16 MW wind farm near Palm Springs, CA to fulfill a recent contract with upscale outdoor clothing retailer Patagonia. The Ventura-based retailer has announced its commitment to using wind energy to power all 14 of its facilities in California. Green Mountain Energy Resources is also building wind machines these days. The niche energy company has promised to build a new wind turbine for every 4,000 customers that select a certain energy mix the company calls 'Wind for the Future.' The two wind turbines Green Mountain is currently building will serve Working Assets, a long distance telephone and credit card service provider, as well as other load. Green Mountain is also venturing into other renewable sources. The company recently entered into an agreement with Sun Power Electric to build a new 50 kW solar power plant in Pennsylvania. The largest such plant in the state, it will be joined by others; Green Mountain plans to build the most extensive network of solar power plants in the eastern U-S. Other renewables are making the news, too. Installation of an innovative new geothermal system began this summer in Comanche, OK. The city's water utility is implementing new GURLsystem technology that will enable the city to capture potential geothermal energy from its existing water utility system. And high in the alpine country of northern California, Burney Forest Products is selling the electricity generated from its biomass power plant on the open market-in this case, the state's Power Exchange and Automated Power Exchange's Green Market. Commercial and industrial enterprises are recognizing green power's potential, too. Not only can a corporation remain consistent with its internal culture and philosophy by choosing green power, that choice can make good marketing sense, as well. Toyota Motor Sales USA was one of the first companies to announce its commitment to renewable energy to power its headquarters and other facilities. Although the choice means about a $1 million higher energy price tag, the company believes the positive response it has received justifies the additional cost. In addition to corporations, other entities are selecting green power. At the municipal government level, cities are making the commitment to using renewables, such as the steps taken by the city of Santa Monica to supply all city-owned buildings with green power. Other cities are taking an even more active role. In Austin, TX, the city recently dedicated a 32-kW photovoltaic installation at a local 'Park + Ride' site. Developed through the city's solar energy program, this application is only the first. Austin is already planning two more solar energy projects, with the largest, a 111-kW system, to be installed at the local airport. Even the federal government is choosing green. Subject to an executive order signed by President Clinton in mid-September, federal agencies are now required to "implement [energy] procurement programs favoring the purchase of environmentally preferable products and services." Just as important as having the sources to supply green power and the customers to purchase it are the marketplace mechanisms to enable green power transactions. These, too, are emerging, particularly in California where the competitive marketplace is more fully developed. The Green-e program, for instance, certifies green electricity products to simplify the purchasing process by consumers. A voluntary program administered by the non-profit Center for Resource Solutions, Green-e is currently active in California and Pennsylvania. Green electricity products are identified by the Green-e logo, and the company offering each product agrees to observe the program's code of conduct as a prerequisite for obtaining the certification. The program's web site lists certified products, as well as the energy sources for the product mix; some listings even estimate the price difference per month to consumers for purchasing green power. In California, Automated Power Exchange has developed a Green Market to facilitate the selling and purchasing of green power. APX requires that energy companies wishing to sell into this market be registered with the California Energy Commission as certified 'Renewable Suppliers.' Only energy from wind, solar, geothermal, biomass, landfill gas, and small hydro (less than 30 MW) may be sold into the market. CEC's registration process complements the Green-e program; it also provides the mechanism for enabling the customer credit of 1.5 cents per kWh called for in the state's deregulation legislation. Other states have not progressed as far in terms of green power marketplace mechanisms. In many, the states that have opened their doors to competitive electric power markets to date, however, some acknowledgment of green power's presence in the marketplace can be found. In Rhode Island and Massachusetts, provisions in the enabling legislation establish funds to develop renewable energy sources. While the jury's still out on how green power is playing to electricity consumers newly able to choose their provider, one conclusion is clear. The infrastructure we'll need to harness this potentially powerful (and lucrative) energy source is being constructed bit by bit under the impetus of deregulation. When the economic incentives level the playing field with more conventional energy sources, green power may well account for a significant share of the nation's power production and consumption. (copyright by Hoffman Publications) -- Hydro and Thermal Plants Sell for Billions GPU will sell 23 thermal and hydro generating facilities with more than 4,000 MW of capacity, for $1.7 billion. GPU recently said it would sell its Three Mile Island nuclear facility, but could not sell the oldest nuclear power plant in the U-S. Included in the latest sale is a pumped-storage hydro station. -- EIA Reduces Estimate for 1998 Natural Gas Prices Natural gas prices will drop more than estimated in the U-S, according to the DoE. Supply will exceed demand until mid-99, and the wellhead price is expected to be $2.10/mmcf, down from the previous $2.25, due to high inventories heading into winter. Industrial demand for gas is likely to be slightly lower than 1997, although predictions of colder temperatures should keep residential and commercial demand high. -- Flywheel Receives Certification A flywheel energy storage system, CleanSource, is the first unit certified under Underwriters Laboratories Safety Standards. Active Power says the integrated rotating steel wheel delivers 50 kW of power per square foot to replace batteries. -- AEP Installs Flywheel from Active Power American Electric Power has installed a flywheel energy storage system to improve power quality at its new office facility in Ohio. -- Rural China Goes for Clean Energy Sichuan Province is promoting methane gas, fermented from toilets and pigsties, to protect the environment. Two million families rely on methane, saving one million trees a year. Local generating capacity is increasing by 227,000 kW each year and the government expects 200 methane or solar energy projects (costing 2.5 billion yuan) to be installed in villages by 2000. -- Nominees for Climate Change Action Alberta's utility, TransAlta, has been recognized by the World Business Council for Sustainable Development for implementing voluntary approaches to address climate change. Kansai Electric of Japan, Philips of the Netherlands, and Johnson & Johnson of the U-S, were also honoured for successes in voluntary efforts to advance the principles of sustainable development. -- Strategic Alliance Made on Fuel Cells PTC Group and Zevco will develop, manufacture and market fuel cells within North and South America. Zevco's (Zero Emission Vehicle Company) alkaline fuel cell technology will be advanced by PTC's manufacturing process. -- Congress Can Avoid Repeat of Electricity Price Spikes A U-S study says Congress can avoid a repeat of last summer's price spikes, which would have been less severe if electricity markets were fully competitive. Americans for Affordable Electricity says current policies contributed to soaring prices in June, and that Congress must restructure the electric industry to prevent future spikes. At the time, prices hit $7,000 per MWh, although most remained at $100 and returned to normal when sufficient capacity became available. -- China and Australia Sign Energy Agreement China's State Power Corporation and AUSTA Energy will share their technologies and resources to develop environment-friendly energy infrastructure projects in their countries. Hydro and renewable energies are two areas for co-operation. -- Chinese Thermal Plant Becomes a Giant The generating capacity of the Shanxi plant has exceeded 10 million kilowatt, making it a giant. Currently, there are five plants with more than one million kilowatts, two more are being built. -- Air Pollution Will Surge Without Curbs Emissions of CO2 will grow by 70% by 2020 if air pollution is allowed to grow unchecked, says the International Energy Agency. Energy demand will surge by 65% during that time. -- Energy Waste by U-S Government Costs Billions U-S taxpayers could save $1 billion each year and reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 7 million tonnes if Washington adhered to its own Energy Policy Act and Executive Orders that require agencies to reduce energy waste through improved energy productivity. The Alliance to Save Energy says the federal government has no goal and that ESCOs can improve facilities at no up-front cost to taxpayers. Washington claims to have reduced energy use by 14% in the past decade, but the ASE says energy use went up almost 3% when all government buildings are counted. Government consumes 32% more energy per square foot than the average building stock, and spends $4.2 billion a year to power half a million facilities. An investment of $4.7 billion in energy would save $1 billion a year for decades. President Clinton wants to see a 30% energy reduction by 2005. -- Europe and Developing Countries Discuss Plan for Climate Tax The European Union and developing nations want to levy taxes on developed countries that trade pollution permits, a tax that is opposed by the U-S. The E-U wants emissions trading to be limited and to use taxes to help developing countries cope with global warming. The Kyoto protocol says that nations which achieve their reductions could sell excess pollution allowance on an open market to other nations that are trying to meet targets, and the U-S wants such trading to operate in a free market. The E-U wants to stop rich countries from buying permits abroad, which would allow them to avoid making cuts at home Under Kyoto, developing countries would tax foreign investment in greener energy projects ('clean development mechanism') but emissions trading would be exempt from the tax. -- Canada to Have GHG Credits Soon Canada's energy minister says a system of credits to encourage reductions in greenhouse gas emissions should be ready by early next year. Loans would be used to encourage the private sector to take early action on GHG cuts. -- Fuel Cells Moving into Role for Home Power Plants Miniature home power plants are feasible with fuel cells, which have low operating costs, require little maintenance and are highly efficient. AlliedSignal estimates the potential global market for small-scale generating units, usually fueled by natural gas, at $1 trillion. It is selling 75 kW units to McDonalds restaurants and Walgreen's drugstores for $50,000, but the price is forecast to drop to $30,000. Fuel cells use hydrogen fuels to generate power electrochemically without combustion, and produce only heat and water byproducts. Avista is working on a fuel cell that uses processed hydrogen rather than natural gas, and hopes to team with retailers to distribute home fuel cell appliances. -- Court slams E-U Commission on East's nuclear safety The European Commission has been criticized for spending $1 billion to shore up dangerous nuclear reactors in the former Soviet Union since the Chernobyl disaster in 1986, without knowing what it's doing. -- U-S Restores Anti-terrorist Program for Nuclear Plants The Nuclear Regulatory Commission will reinstate its program to protect 100 nuclear reactors from terrorist attacks, after cutting the project for budgetary reasons. Media reports say the cut left nuclear plants vulnerable to damage and meltdowns. -- Pakistan Settles Dispute With Power Producers A 20-month dispute between the Pakistani government and some private power producers has ended with a multi-billion dollar loan from the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. Five power generators will reduce tariffs from 6.5 cents per kWh to 5.5-5.8 cents. Negotiations with another 12 IPPs are continuing, while two others are suing the government. -- Bangladesh Initiates Power Generation Projects Bangladesh Power is funding power generation projects to meet growing demand for power in the country. The projects will add 1,700 MW to the grid by 2001; 1,200 MW will come from private plants while the remaining 500 MW will come from public plants. There will be 500 MW of surplus power when the country's total power generation reaches 3,700 MW. The government will spend $250 million on the power generation sector. -- Solar Lighting System Introduced by African Company A solar system that uses solar energy to run lights will allow buildings to become completely independent of the grid. The SOLARIS system was developed by Solar Light of Ghana. -- Uganda's Excess Generation Looking for Somewhere to Go The Ugandan power grid will jump by 1,000 MW when projects along the upper Nile come online in 2005, well above the projected demand of 320 MW. Kampala is looking for short-term export markets, but the long-term plan is to increase domestic consumption. Only 5% of the population is connected to the 180 MW grid. Private power producers will be paid $80 million a year when generation from the new dams begins. Distribution costs 50% of the price to build a new station, and Uganda needs $250 million to build transmission and distribution systems. The Nile has hydro potential of 3,000 MW. -- U-S Group Continues Opposition to Kyoto Protocol The Pacific Research Institute says President Clinton is placing U-S economic security in jeopardy and subjecting Americans to skyrocketing energy costs, by signing the Kyoto Protocol. PRI says energy use would be restricted and citizens would need to go on a "major energy diet." -- Gas Study Sees Strong Growth in Industrial Markets The U-S industrial sector consumes one-quarter of energy and will increase demand by 1.3% a year over the next 20 years, says a study by the Gas Research Institute. That will result in a 25% increase in that sector's energy demand. -- Heating Expected to Rise in U-S This Winter The U-S Energy Information Administration estimates that winter bills for natural gas users could rise by 13% average, and by 3% for oil-heated homes. Despite lower fuel prices, colder weather is predicted, and consumers will turn up their thermostat. -- Energy Tidbits - Two power stations in Illinois will switch to low-sulfur coal in 2000 to reduce SO2 emissions by 90% and NOx emissions by 65%. The larger plant (1,750 MW) burns five million tons of coal each year. - The Ginna nuclear plant has set a plant record for continuous operation, at 353 days. - Italy's anti-competition agency warns that a draft law on the liberalization of the power market may contain over-regulation. - The U-S will provide $15 billion a year to Russia, if Moscow reforms the energy sector first. - The Indian government will introduce legislation soon to tax electricity generation. - India is trying to purchase electricity from rival Pakistan. - Power generation from the Snowy Mountains hydro plant in New Zealand is running at low levels due to light winter snowfalls. - Leaders of the Social Democrats and Greens party in Germany have defused a row over planned increases in energy taxes. - Amway distributors in Georgia will market electricity and gas to residential consumers for Columbia Energy. - The Italian government will approve a law to liberalize electricity markets and reform the state electricity board ENEL. - A U-S opinion poll indicates that more than 60% of Americans believe the Kyoto climate change treaty will be expensive and should not be implemented. - The Ontario government has passed a bill to split up the provincial electric utility and to introduce wholesale and retail competition in 2000. - New Zealand's power lines companies have been warned that the government will impose price controls if costs are not cut. - TransAlta Energy and Air Liquide have a $60 million contract to build a cogeneration plant in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta. - Chile may ration electricity during the current drought, which is causing blackouts. - CMS Energy wants to construct the U-S portion of a gas pipeline from Chicago into Ontario, that will carry 650 million cubic feet of gas per day. - The Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act celebrated its 20thbirthday on November 9. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TRENDS in RENEWABLE ENERGIES is circulated by the Canadian Association for Renewable Energies. A number of news sources are used; CARE is not responsible for errors. Further details or contact information are not available. TRENDS is designed as a 'heads up' overview of the progress of renewable energies around the world. Some improvements anticipated for 1999 include inclusion of 'further info' and contact data; source hyperlinks; and HTML coding to facilitate reading. If you have any other suggestions for changes, please mailto:suggestions@renewables.ca Back issues are posted on http://www.renewables.cajwalker/course.htmme/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet Canadian Association for Renewable Energies We CARE Bill Eggertson From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Sun Nov 15 13:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29970 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:33:47 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id NAA27842; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:30:30 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.E3DA164B@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:43 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1798089 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:00:42 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.DE5755DF@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:34 +0100 Received: from dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se (dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se [130.244.191.47]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15143 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1075.A4059580@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:55:06 +0100 Encoding: 27 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1075.A4059580@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:52:41 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : Chihuahua - Mexico To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: H.Doelle Uwe, Why don't you try the Instituto de Ecologia and/or CONACYT ? You could send an email to Dra. Eugenia Olguin at the Instituto de Ecologia in Xalapa [State of Veracruz]. Eugenia is a biotechnologist and an excellent expert in algae. She works in the field of Spirulina as an integrated part of waste --> anaerobic digestion --> algae and maybe also algae as fish food. You could also ask Prof. Gustavo Viniegra in Mexico City , who is probably THE expert in biotechnology in Mexico. If you write to either or both, you can very happily mention that you got from me the advise to contact them for help. I am not sure what their finances are, but they work in the area. Asking questions never harms, and you may get a positive answer. Fragen kostet nichts und mehr als ein NEIN kannst Du nicht erwiedert bekommen. Best of Luck Horst From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Sun Nov 15 13:42:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29968 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:33:41 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id NAA27836; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:30:24 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.DE5D2582@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:34 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1798053 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:00:31 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.DAC6CE14@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:28 +0100 Received: from dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se (dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se [130.244.191.47]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15117 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1075.A00EDFE0@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:54:59 +0100 Encoding: 26 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1075.A00EDFE0@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:52:27 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-CHEN : use of orchard biomass in biogas production To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Javier Montoya gomez Please let me introduce myself as iol. Javier Montoya. I am a manager of a Composting PLant in the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico ( U.N.A.M.) since 5 years ago working with Composting of eucalyptus trees. I am in the beginning of a production of biogas and so I have some questions 1 What are the ratio of the mix of the leaves, branches and fruit with the pig manure and the water? 2 What is the ratio in 8 cubic meters or by 1 cubic meter? 3 Do you make a premix of the materials? Thank you in advance Javier Montoya Gomez Planta de Composta Superintendencia de Areas Verdes Direccion General de Obras, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico Av Xola 1367 Int 10, Col Narvarte, C.P. 03020, Mexico, D. F. Tel (525) 622-3490 / (525) 538-6080 Fax (525) 622-9046 Email jav@gol.biomedicas.unam.mx WEB http://gol.biomedicas.unam.mx/composta.htmle/content/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Sun Nov 15 13:42:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29974 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:33:55 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id NAA27849; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:30:37 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.E732D959@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:49 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1798109 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:00:48 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <3.E179B62C@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 9:00:39 +0100 Received: from dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se (dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se [130.244.191.47]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15182 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:28 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1075.A5A7ACC0@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:55:08 +0100 Encoding: 73 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1075.A5A7ACC0@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:52:45 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: IBS-GEN : NGO - Yayasan Gemi Nastiti (Indonesia) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Jacky Foo Thank you Djoni Ferdiwijaya for your response, the background information and for sharing with us the arguements leaving to your current status of project plans. Very much appreciated. Congratulations to you for having a project that seems to be well planned and giving consideration to many important aspects in the planning. The Inst of Advanced Studies has a Web Resource Site for Integrated Bio-Systems (http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet). Do you have a web site for your project ? I like to create a link to your site. If you dont have a site, I will be happy to create a page on your story as a "case study" and put pictures that may present your "dokar station project" as well as the use of digesters in households and integration with rice cultivation. >In our first plan, we thought to build a digester that enough for wastes >from 256 horses. But the digester will be too big and it is difficult >to collect all horses' wastes since not all the dokars stop by the >station. We also considered to build the digester based on the amount of >energy needed by the consumers (10 kiosks), but this approach also need a >very big digester. Then we decided to approach from the average amount of >dokars that stop in the station each day (60 dokars). We come out with >a 40m3 digester. According to our technical consultant, the produced >gas would be enough for about 4 kiosks' needs. > >The total cost of the biogas system here would be about 21 millions >rupiahs (or about 2,643 USD. exchange rate 1 USD = 7,700 Rp). A friend >of mine just finished building a 18m3 biodigester (digest cows manure, >for three households) and it costed about 2,25 millions rupiahs >(= US$292). This later price has not included stove, pipes, etc. The cement rectangular digester that built in Montfort Boys Town is 20 m3 and costed about 7000 F$ (about 20-30 months pay of an unskilled worker) or around 5,000 USD. How many months would 2643 USD serve as income for a dokar driver ? USD 292 for a 18 m3 biodigester is a very good price esp. if the project is funded with international money. This means that the value of external money is much greater if the same amount of money was put into a similar project in another country. In the same way, a similar polyethylene digester that cost about 30-40 USD in Vietnam is good for its money value. >We have considered to build units of small digesters (6m3, for one >family), in many houses inside the town of Salatiga, with raw materials >supplied by the dokars. But this approach looked unpractical for this >moment, especially problem on manure delivery to the scattered >digesters' sites. I agree that the dokars' station digester is a good choice. Will someone to be employed to manage the digester or will members of the dokars' organization do it themselves ? Where is the source of water for the digester from ? >In the first we thought that dokars drivers can sell their horses' >manures to the operator (their own organization) to encourage them to >collect and deliver manures to the site. But this approach look unfeasible. >Then we change our plan. The incomes from selling biogas and dried >slurry will be managed by the dokars' organization to build a >cooperative (selling cheaper food) or to help drivers who get accidents >on the roads, and part of it could be used for maintanance and to be >saved for digester construction (in other site) in the future. Interesting approach. Do you have any estimates of the potential income ? regards Jacky Foo Arvikagatan 26, 12343 Farsta, Sweden From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 22:52:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00061 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:51:36 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA22880; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:48:15 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA06713; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:49:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811151549.KAA06713@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: Roberto Verzola To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Date: Thur, 15 Nov 98 08:53:06 Subject: [GKD]: Y2K: global estimates, Net resources, the term "bomb", etc. Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: Reply to Patrick O'Beirne: >Hold on. Microprocessors are not embedded _SYSTEMS_. The number of >_systems_ is much smaller, mainly among advanced manufacturing, and the >actual failure rate is quite small, but _in certain users_ larger than >0.1%, perhaps 3%. Yes, of course. I presume that the conservative 0.1% figure often used takes into account the fact that not all microprocessors end up within embedded systems. In the paragraph that followed, I myself used even a more conservative "a few million separate failures" instead of the 20 million which the 0.1% figure would give. Note also that if some failures interact with others, these separate failures can trigger even more failures. (By the way, fellow panelist Doug Carmichael used 1%: what if 1% both computer and embedded chip systems failed?) > So global figures are not useful. These global figures are useful enough to give us an approximation of the order of magnitude of the problem. They also help people realize that even if the problems were an order of magnitude smaller, we're still faced with widespread equipment failures. On Chris Byrne's post: I would like to acknowledge Chris Byrne's solid contribution to our discussion, with his list of resources available on the net. The links he provided should give us a very good picture of the issue. His comments are consistent with the points raised by the others on the panel: - there will be some degree of disruption, probably widespread - the millennium bomb will feed into preexisting problems like the global financial crisis, poverty, etc. - the level of uncertainty (and therefore risk) is way up. On Henry Watermayer's note: >I am not sure that i would agree with Roberto and call it a "bomb" It *is* a software time bomb. The millennium-bomb will most probably cause fewer deaths than the Hiroshima or Nagasaki A-bombs. But its disruptive effect and reach will probably be greater than these A-bombs and certainly greater than any conventional bomb. Roberto Verzola From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 22:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00065 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:51:49 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA22883; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:48:17 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA07102; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811151608.LAA07102@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:24:28 +0200 To: gkd@tristram.edc.org From: kari.salkunen@dipoli.hut.fi (Kari Salkunen) Subject: [GKD] ENABLE99: Call for Participation Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: Dear online-colleagues, I'd like to draw your attention to a high-level networking event to be held here in Finland during the beautiful days of June next year. Please consult <http://www.enable.evitech.fi/enable99ibs/resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet> for even more information! Warm regards from snowy Finland, Kari Salkunen PS. Sorry for the possible crosspostings! ______________ Call for Participation ENABLE99 - Enabling Network-Based Learning International Conference organized by Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology (EVITech) Helsinki University of Technology (HUT), HUT Dipoli University of Arts and Design (UIAH) in Espoo, Finland - June 2-5, 1999 Network-based learning provides flexibility in time and space and enables the integration of different modes of education. It also enables efficient collaboration between the various providers and customers of learning. New forms of co-operation and alliances can be formed between educational institutions, training companies, in-house training departments and product vendors. Together they operate as "networked companies", where each partner contributes their own special expertise for better quality and cost-efficiency. Move towards network-based learning presents new challenges, but also opens business opportunities in the emerging electronic markets for learning. In industry, the need for just-in-time training has boosted the development of network-based training and work support systems that integrate training materials with other information systems. Distributed team work is already a well established and successful method in projects. New mobile technologies and real-time multimedia can effectively support the distributed teams. In this conference the above and other enabling technologies, methods and novel approaches for network-based learning will be discussed. You are invited to submit a proposal for either a full paper, poster, intensive demonstration, or post-conference workshop. All proposals will be reviewed and if accepted will be included in the Final Program. The accepted papers will be included in a binder to be distributed to the participants and also published on the conference Web site online Proceedings. Proposals must be submitted either electronically (preferred) in the form of URL addresses or as emailed ASCII/text files. Main themes network pedagogy collaborative project learning learning infrastructure development mobile multimedia real-time multimedia communication virtual technologies and agents design and content production information management learning environments collaborative alliances between academia and enterprises education and training as business online corporate training electronic commerce on digital content Program activities Keynotes (45 min) Invited talks (30 min) Full papers (30 min) Intensive demonstrations (15 min) Panel (60 min) Posters and Web presentations Demonstrations Post-conference workshops for interest groups Social program Important dates Abstracts by 15 December 1998 !!!!! Notification to authors by 15 January 1999 Final papers by 31 March 1999 Registration by 10 May 1999 Organizing Committee Chair: Erkki Ramo, EVITech Petri Niemela, EVITech Satu Ruotsala, EVITech, conference secretary Ritva Suojarvi-Makinen, EVITech Kari Salkunen, HUT Dipoli Eva-Maria Hakola, UIAH Program Committee Chair: Matti Hamalainen, EVITech (Finland) Reino Aarinen, Satakunta Polytechnic (Finland) Ari-Matti Auvinen, Human Capital Investment (Finland) Timo Argillander, Edita (Finland) Murray Goldberg, University of British Columbia (Canada) Yrjo Engestrom, Academy of Finland and University of California San Diego (USA) Eddy Forte, EPFL Lausanne (Switzerland) Valerio Grementieri, EDEN (Italy) Piet Henderikx, EADTU (The Netherlands) Jaak Henno, Tallinn University of Technology (Estonia) Chris Hutchinson, Kingston University (UK) Mikko Hoynalanmaa, Jaakko Poyry Oy (Finland) Leena Kojonen, Andersen Consulting (Finland) Veli-Pekka Liflander, EVITech (Finland) Matti Linna, University of Vaasa (Finland) Glenn Rand, Lansing Community College (USA) John Stremikis, University of Wisconsin (USA) Ebba Traskelin, Centrum for Livslangd Larande (Sweden) Petri Vuorimaa, Helsinki University of Technology (Finland) Andrew Whinston, University of Texas (USA) Peter Williams, University of Paisley (UK) Leif Aberg, University of Helsinki (Finland) More information More information is available on the ENABLE99 Web site at: http://www.enable.evitech.fi/enable99ibs/resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet The on-line proceedings of the previous conference, Enable97, is available at: http://www.evitech.fi/CONFERENCE/enable97resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet Conference Office email: enable99@evitech.fi fax: +358-9-5119 988 postal address: ENABLE99 Satu Ruotsala Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Vanha maantie 6 FIN-02600, ESPOO, Finland For questions and inquiries you may contact conference secretary, Ms. Satu Ruotsala, tel. +358-9-5119 866 Preliminary program Opening Keynote:The Heart of the Problem: Knowledge Management and Knowledge Transfer, Hermann Maurer, Graz University of Technology, Austria Network Pedagogy Keynote: Mental Models Philip Barker, University of Teesside, UK Invited Talk: (videoconference) Tom Reeves, University of Georgia, USA (to be confirmed) Collaborative Project Learning Invited Talk: Network-based project learning - NetPro project experiences, Hannu Markkanen, EVITech, Finland Learning Infrastructure Development Keynote: Development of Standards for Learning Resources - the ARIADNE project Erik Duval, KU Leuven & ARIADNE, Belgium Keynote: Development of Standards for Learning Resources - the IMS project Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University & EDUCAUSE/IMS, USA (to be confirmed) Invited Talk: GENTLE Herman Maurer, University of Graz, Austria Invited Talk: Development of CERNET - China Education and Research Network Jianping Wu, Tsinghua University & CERNET Center, Beijing, PR China (to be confirmed) Multimedia and Mobile Communication Invited Talk: Mobile Communication Hannu Nieminen, Nokia, Finland Virtual Technologies and Agents Keynote: Integration of Virtual and Real Information Environments Norbert Streitz, GMD-IPSI, Germany Design and Content Production Keynote: Visual Design Susan Metros, University of Tennessee, USA Learning Environments Invited Talk: WebCT - update Murray W. Goldberg, University of British Columbia, Canada Invited Talk: EADTU Approaches in Distance Teaching (tentative) Piet Henderikx, KU Leuven, Belgium & EADTU, The Netherlands Academia and Enterprise Collaboration Invited Talk Academia and Enterprise Collaboration - Dream or Reality, Jarmo Viteli, University of Tampere, Finland Network-Based Learning as Business Keynote: Virtual Education: Technology and Markets Roy Rada, Pace University, USA Invited Talk: Electronic Commerce on Digital Content Jaana Porra, University of Houston, USA (to be confirmed) Online Corporate Training Invited Talk: Role of XML in Developing Large Scale Training Systems, Thomas Stadler, Organon Knowledge Architectures, Germany Panel Role of standards in re-use, exchange and trading of electronic learning resources Mark Resmer, Erik Duval, Hermann Maurer, Murray Goldberg, Thomas Stadler, Matti Hamalainen (moderator) URL: http://www.savie.comi/CONFERENCE/enable97resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet VISIT OUR INFORMATION SITE ABOUT VIDEOCONFERENCING! ******************************************************************** * Liaison Officer KARI SALKUNEN Yhteyspaallikko * * Helsinki University of Technology Teknillinen korkeakoulu * * Lifelong Learning Institute Dipoli Koulutuskeskus Dipoli * * P.O.Box 8000, FIN-02015 HUT, Finland PL 8000, 02015 TKK * * ---------------------------------------------------------------- * * E-mail: kari.salkunen@hut.fi S-posti: kari.salkunen@hut.fi * * Facsimile: +358 9 451 4060 Telekopio: (09) 451 4060 * * URL: http://www.dipoli.hut.fiNFERENCE/enable97resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet * ******************************************************************** From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Sun Nov 15 23:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00108 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:57:09 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id WAA23147; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:53:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA07289; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:16:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811151616.LAA07289@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f From: Roberto Verzola Date: Sun, 15 Nov 98 08:54:21 Subject: [GKD] Y2K: Modularization and Globalization To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: My reply to Steven Brant: >economic system is part of the larger social/political/ >*environmental*/*biological system. In other words, we are not the >whole system. But that doesn't matter. Modularization should apply to the design of an entire system, a subsystem or a subsubsystem. If it is a circuit board for a particular function, one first breaks up the function into subfunctions, and the same design rules apply. If the circuit board goes into a machine for some larger function, that machine should also be modular. If the machine goes into a bigger system--like a spaceship--then the same modular approach applies to the spaceship design. The entire space probe system--the Apollo moon probe, for instance--would again use the same design principles. What enabled the crippled Apollo 13 to come back to Earth despite a major disaster in main module is (among other things, of course) modularization. On the other hand, if a depression hits the U.S. tomorrow, it will most probably take the entire global economy down with it. That's the result of globalization. >magazine) is that the global economic system is now one, *just like the >rest of the system (the biologic system) in which humanity resides.* I agree, the global economic system is now one. This is precisely the result of globalization. And because globalization violates the most basic principles of system design, it has made the global economy buggy, unreliable and crash-prone. Mainstream economists work under a different theoretical system than system designers, and their prescriptions unfortunately are the opposite of what good system designers have used in their successful designs. >From a biological systems-model perspective (such as that explored in the >new Hall of Biodiversity at New York City's Museum of Natural History), >systems are not modular. While a system may appear to be healthy as >individual modules/species die, it is a false reality -- covering up the >hidden collapse that is underway (a collapse caused by such things as >From at least one vantage point, biological systems are clearly modular. Aren't there species and genetic barriers between species? The ecological collapse you are referring to is not due to the biological system but due to the impact of the economic system on the biosphere, particularly the former's use of the latter for its endless need for raw material and energy and as dumping ground for its wastes. (Driven, may I add, by the same gain-maximizing/efficiency paradigm that led to the millennium bomb). Science and industry have also started to undermine biological modularity through genetic engineering with recombinant DNA (again driven by the same paradigm). The analogy between software programs and the genome, while not exact, is close enough, and we should be deeply concerned that the loss of modularity and the breakdown of genetic barriers in the biological world can result in a similarly buggy, unreliable, failure-prone biosphere. The millennium-bomb, which is the result of putting globalization over modularization and gain-maximization over risk-minimization, is bad enough. Its biological equivalent will truly be apocalyptic. >These side effects are what happens when you attempt to use >"old, independent world habits" to function in an interdependent world. I go back to the lessons of successful systems designs. Get an elementary text in hardware or software design. You'll come across such terms as "avoid tight coupling between systems", "practice information-hiding", "build firewalls", "avoid global variables". All these are meant to *reduce*, not increase, interdependence and the number of potential interactions. Interdependence is a bad word in system design. A system where each component depends on every other component will fail quickly, as soon as one of its components fails. When you have thousands--or millions--of components, you'll looking at a system with a very low mean time between failures (MTBF). The theory has generally been worked out by hardware and software designers, and is well established. Clearly, though, the prescriptions that emerge from this theory are very different from the prescriptions of mainstream economic theory. I think it is clear enough which one works better. Roberto Verzola From owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Mon Nov 16 01:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00506 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:06:16 +0530 Received: from tristram.edc.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA27698; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:02:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tristram.edc.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA09100; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:31:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811151731.MAA09100@tristram.edc.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tristram.edc.org: majordom set sender to owner-gkd@mail.edc.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Global Knowledge Dev. Moderator" To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Subject: [GKD] GKD List Summary 11/1 - 11/7 Sender: owner-gkd@tristram.edc.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gkd@tristram.edc.org Status: RO X-Status: GKD List Summary 11/1 - 11/7 This message attempts to summarize briefly the major discussion points made on the GKD list. Inevitably, many valuable points will not be captured here, and new List members are encouraged to obtain past List archives. Currently, they can be obtained from the GKP WWW site <http://www.globalknowledge.org/E/enable97resourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet> in a HyperMail format, which groups messages by thread (subject) and also allows full-text searches of all the List messages. For those without WWW access, the digest version (a plain text compilation of each week's messages) can be retrieved via anonymous FTP from tristram.edc.org. The path is pub/gkd/digest. TECHNOLOGY NOTES A GKD member posted an article on the State of the World Forum in San Francisco, where educators from around the world met to discuss the future social and economic implications of unequal access to technology. According to Sun Microsystems' chief scientist, John Gage, "networks will be as cheap and plentiful as radio waves, and computing devices will fall from their current $1,000 price point to $50, putting them on every desk in the world." An article on the recently launched satellite services by Iridium was submitted by a GKD member. This consortium of telecommunications companies now, after 11 years of preparation, provides satellite phone, roaming, calling card, and paging services world wide. Colleagues in the satellite industry praised Iridium: "When they first came out with this idea, people were saying, 'It's too complex, too expensive'. [Iridium] has shown naysayers that it can be done and has brought together another viable communications service", said Clay Mowry, director of the Satellite Industry Association (Alexandria, Va., USA). A member submitted an article on the leaked memo from Microsoft on its strategy to deal with Linux and other free software operating systems referred to as "Open Source Software". The memorandum offers important insight into Microsoft's understanding of the free/open source software movement. It indicates, for example, that Microsoft needs to attack the process and the culture of the free software movement, more than any particular company. High quality software like Linux, that can be of value to developing countries. The Microsoft memo has serious implications for developing countries, in that Microsoft perceives such software to be a direct threat to their own commercial products. The annotated version of the document can be found on the World Wide Web at <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.htmlresourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet>. ICT AND ACCESS A member submitted an article on the government of India's intention to give up its monopoly on Internet provision. The government has started issuing licenses for private providers. The decision did away with multiple delays in opening up the market of Internet provision. Internet users in India hope that competition of private providers will improve the quality of services, reduce prices and at the same time expand the number of users. ICT AND DEVELOPMENT The moderators posted a series of messages on the recently released World Bank "Knowledge for Development Report" . The articles were originally published by the PANOS Institute (http://www.oneworld.org/panoslloween.htmlresourceent/users/imds/feeds/deodeeet), a non-profit organization that specializes in generating and providing information for development and in stimulating public debate on environmental and social development issues. The World Development Report 1998 explores the role of information and knowledge in advancing economic and social well-being. It basically distinguishes two types of knowledge: technical knowledge (for example, about health) and knowledge about attributes (for example, the quality of a product or the credibility of a borrower). It argues that resolving the knowledge gaps and information problems surrounding these issues is critical to progress for developing countries. The PANOS authors agree with the importance of information, communications and knowledge to development but find the World Bank's focus limited. "While the existence of information, communications and knowledge gaps is critical, just as important is the capacity of people to adapt, assess, evaluate, interpret, challenge and use the knowledge available to them. These issues are rarely dealt with in the report. The information content of knowledge cannot be separated from questions of who produces and controls it? Who decides which knowledge is right or wrong, useful or not? Who has the will and the capacity to act on it?" The PANOS authors examine factors that help define the extent to which societies can create and employ knowledge, in particular the access (or lack thereof) that citizens have to information and the capacities of people and societies to create their own analysis and responses to information they have access to. Examples are given from East Africa, Southern Africa and South Asia. The full text of the various contributions can be found at <http://www.globalknowledge.org/archives/mailarchives/gkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet>. ICT AND GENDER A GKD member announced a collection of essays by African women on their development needs: <http://www.unl.ac.uk/developmentmgt/voices/voices.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet> and <http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/3541/index.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet>. ICT AND GOVERNANCE A GKD member posted excerpts from a letter by the United States Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). NTIA congratulates the newly formed ICANN as a 'significant step toward privatizing management of the domain name system' yet expresses concerns about the membership structure (or lack thereof) of the new organization; the absence of transparency and controls in the budget process; and the fact that ICANN is silent with respect to the country's Top Level Domain management. Y2K PANEL DISCUSSION This week the discussion on the impact of the Y2K problem or Millennium Bug on developing countries was launched. The discussion will last at least until November 20. Panellists Douglass Carmichael (USA), Roberto Verzola (the Philippines) and Henry Watermeyer (South Africa) each posted an opening message to the list. Roberto Verzola's argued in his contribution "The Millennium Bomb: A Time Bomb in the Heart of the Industrial Economies (Should we prepare for the blast or the fallout?)" that developing countries have less to fear from the Year 2000 problem, or Millennium Bomb as he calls it, than highly industrialized societies. "The less highly-automated - and therefore electronically-dependent - a society is, the less vulnerable it will be to the M-bomb." He suggests that developing countries should be more concerned about the economic and financial ramifications of the impact of Y2K on the North. He proposes to build 'firewalls', that is isolate banking institutions and local markets from the global market and unlink local currencies from the US dollar. "Forget about open economies and globalization. The more open our economy is, the more susceptible we are going to be to millennium fallout." According to Douglass Carmichael "the real problem is that the overall effect of [Y2K] is fairly unknown". He sees in the Y2K problem an opportunity to change the organization of the global economy. Thus, efforts to exterminate the millennium bug "should not be to act fast to make Y2K merely go away. We should look at all attempts at fixing to be also thoughtful investments in a future we want. Doing all the work, at the very high cost, should result in businesses and organizations that are more effective, safer, better documented, and aligned with the organizations' hopes for the post Y2K environment." Carmichael also points out that there are big problems with method: "Reporting the percentage of systems fixed (or in the various subphases of the process; assessment, remediation, testing, return) do not tell us much. Reporting must include stories about what is being found along the way, and must include stories about the implications if what is not yet fixed does not get fixed". He mentions Mexico as a developing country that seems to have implemented policies that will make it ready for the new millennium. Henry Watermeyer notes that the nature of the Y2K problem is "fairly well understood", especially by the private sector. He is afraid, however, that in particular, governments and the small and medium-sized enterprise sector will be affected on a large scale. Both developing countries and highly industrialized societies will be effected by the millennium bomb. Watermeyer said "There is a view that suggests that the problem in the lesser developed countries may be smaller. I suggest that while that may well be true, there are in almost all these countries some systems, like air traffic control, banking and the like that will effect not only the citizens of those countries but also those who pass through. Physically or virtually!" He sees two major sectors at risk: those who have large and key facilities under their control, like power generation, telecommunications and air traffic control; and those people who don't know that they are at risk, for example hospital administrators, who don't know that the equipment they use contains embedded computers. He sees an important role for public awareness campaigns. "The domino effect of business and service failure is going to put the fragile world economy into a spin", he concludes. CALL FOR PAPERS/UPCOMING CONFERENCES The Development Society of Southern Africa (DSSA) announced a call for papers for its upcoming bi-annual conference on "The Southern African Development Scenario: Challenges for the New Millennium". The conference will take place on 7-8 April 1999 in Johannesburg, South Africa. Deadline for submission of proposals is 4 December 1998. For more information please contact the DSSA Chairperson at . The British Council in South Africa announced 'Building the Information Community in Africa' (BICA 99). The aim of this conference is to bring together experiences of telecenter practitioners and to assist the development of telecenters through sustainable partnerships. The British Council is look for both delegates and sponsors. For more information visit <http://www.bica99.orgcom/Pipeline/3541/index.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet> or contact Paula Middleton at . OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS The Development Resource Centre has recently published the "Pacific Development Directory" of development-related organisations in the Pacific. The aim of the directory is to improve regional communications, assist development initiatives and help with the allocation of development resources. There is both a hard copy and an Internet version. On the Internet you can search the database through a World Wide Web page and by email. The Internet is updated at regular intervals and the hard copy biennially. 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Kaushik Sampath ========================================================== Sponsored by MJ & RB Computing, Robert Behrens (The Prof) Save on Long Distance Phone Calls: http://LD.net/?mjrb/.orgpanoser/inews.htmdex.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet Internet Training & Opportunities: http://www.mjrb.org/.orgpanoser/inews.htmdex.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet ========================================================== From mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Mon Nov 16 01:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00621 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:25:19 +0530 Received: from europe.std.com by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id BAA28422; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:21:57 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA00104; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA00099; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA27449; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:38:15 -0500 Received: from default (slip166-72-248-77.ri.us.ibm.net [166.72.248.77]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA61466 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:38:10 GMT Message-Id: <00b501be10cf$620015c0$4df848a6@default> From: "Robert Behrens" To: "QA" Subject: QA missing file From: Mary Victor Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:37:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: mjrb-qa@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: Mary Victor Subject: missing file Has anyone any idea where I would locate a file SETNOTE.CPL. It is needed with viavoice to dictate Viavoice came as extra with my Lotus program. I have not used this program for some time , tried to use it and I am told I need this file. I have reinstalled with no luck. have made the usual search , I even re installed Smartsuite 97 , and windows 95 to try and find it. Any Ideas ? Mary Canada ========================================================== Sponsored by MJ & RB Computing, Robert Behrens (The Prof) Save on Long Distance Phone Calls: http://LD.net/?mjrb/.orgpanoser/inews.htmdex.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet Internet Training & Opportunities: http://www.mjrb.org/.orgpanoser/inews.htmdex.htms.htmgkdrs/imds/feeds/deodeeet ========================================================== From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 03:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00836 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:19:45 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id DAA04468; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:15:47 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.5F98BA21@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:23 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1840631 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:21 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.5E36359B@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:21 +0100 Received: from dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se (dialup61-1-60.swipnet.se [130.244.61.60]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09101 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:46:09 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE10E9.0D81FE40@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:41:15 +0100 Encoding: 35 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE10E9.0D81FE40@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:27:25 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : earthworms in IBS (Mexico) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded (edited) From: H.Doelle Dear Dr. Medina, You wrote: >Thank you for your comments on our vermicomposting project. The plant >engineer tells me that the analysis of the compost, at least for bacteria >and fungi, showed that is within the acceptable limits. What are your 'acceptable' limits ? >Yes, we intend to >have an anaerobic system working soon. The main obstacle that we >face is the lack of funds. If you (or anyone taking part in this discussions) > know about a low-cost anaerobic system, please let me know. >I would be most grateful >for any assistance you may offer on this matter. Did you read the ICIBS paper on polyethylene tube anaerobic digesters ? These are the cheapest and are being used in Bangladesh and Philippines. The costs are well under US$ 100 I believe. Best regards Horst Doelle --- Horst W.Doelle, DSc,DSc [h.c.],FASM Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology Hon.Reader of Dept. Microbiology Hon.Reader of Dept. Chem.Engineering From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 03:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00837 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:19:45 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id DAA04494; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:15:59 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.664791A3@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:34 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1840660 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:33 +0200 Received: from mb05.swip.net (193.12.122.209) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <9.650D78F7@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:47:32 +0100 Received: from dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se (dialup61-1-60.swipnet.se [130.244.61.60]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09245 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:46:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE10E9.27C37D60@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se>; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:41:59 +0100 Encoding: 64 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE10E9.27C37D60@dialup191-1-47.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:45:16 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEN : counter-productive systems To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Jacky Foo Mr. Men and his group @ctu.edu.vn has been having a persistent mail delivery problem which I hope will be solved soon. So there will be some delays in getting responses from him directly. So I hope that the audience could help respond to questions asked and comment on related issues. USP - Ajuyah asked: >My second question is related to the first one, from your experience apart >from capital, commence and site compatibility - what are the major factors >that determines type of integrated biosystem that a family establishes?. Here is my contribution: The availability of resource and waste inputs is for me the determinant if an IBS can implement or not. To develop a system that can generate income, the volume or amount of resources is crucial as well as it governments the choice of the sub-system(s) to be used. An IBS may just consist of certain practices that are ddone together to provide an enhanced effect. It may also incorporate certain bio-technology to further enhance the system. >Finally, what are the possibilities or chances of unrelated or different >types of biosystems in the same location becoming counterproductive?. Why would anyone introduce a sub-system that is counter-productive ? I also cant think of any counterproductive sub-system ! Of course if one overloads a sub-system, then the system collapse - this cannot be termed as "counter-productive". Different sub-systems may have different efficiencies in doing certain things, so it is also a matter of slow or fast but not counter-productive. >Do you see any form of government control for example to encourage >specialization in the next 50 - 100 years, taking into consideration the >growth in human population and land interrelationship?. Consumers demand for "organic" food where chemicals are not used has encouraged the practice of integrated bio-systems especially in recycling nutrients via composting and vermicomposting. Government control in preventing pollution will encourage polluters to look into systems to treat or to use their wastes. IBS will be at an advantage over other treatment methods because IBS adds value to the products. More research is needed and greater awareness of existing results on diseases associated with pathogens in the wastes and health aspects related the use of products are needed to clear suspicions and doubts related to health risks. The combination of different animals in a system has caused concern because they are carriers or hosts to the life-cycles for pathogens. More clear information and evidence proving these risks are needed. A counter-productive sub-system could be one that generates a new by-product that is difficult to handle. For example, at an animal feedlot, solid manure can be handled by composting and vermiculture. 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Ste. 100 San Diego, CA 92111 Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-3pm, Sat 10am-3pm, PST Web: 24 hours From mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Mon Nov 16 11:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02232 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:15:31 +0530 Received: from europe.std.com by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id LAA10484; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:12:22 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14629; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14616; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA23929; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:18 -0500 Received: from default (slip166-72-248-59.ri.us.ibm.net [166.72.248.59]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA45552 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:00:15 GMT Message-Id: <00cb01be1115$818958c0$3bf848a6@default> From: "Robert Behrens" To: "QA" Subject: Re: QA missing file From: David J Boedicker Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:59:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: mjrb-qa@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: David J Boedicker Subject: Re: QA missing file From: Mary Victor Mary - I found the file SETNOTE.CPL (112KB) in the following folder on my Aptiva C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ I would be glad to forward it by any method that is acceptable to you. Regards, Dave Boedicker boedicker@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.htmllN669632/prod.htmry=NotebookMemoryeds/deodeeet or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================== Sponsored by MJ & RB Computing, Robert Behrens (The Prof) Save on Long Distance Phone Calls: http://LD.net/?mjrb/getjuno.htmllN669632/prod.htmry=NotebookMemoryeds/deodeeet Internet Training & Opportunities: http://www.mjrb.org/getjuno.htmllN669632/prod.htmry=NotebookMemoryeds/deodeeet ========================================================== From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Mon Nov 16 11:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02164 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:14:14 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id LAA10343; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:10:56 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA28148; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:13:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27840 for bioenergy-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:12:53 -0500 (EST) From: WBrewer@aol.com Received: from WBrewer@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 1JHOa10440 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:02:12 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:02:12 EST To: bioenergy@crest.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: would appreciate yourhelp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: I must write an essay on global warming and take the view that the adverse weather patterns are a result of a natural phenomenon and not from greenhouse gases etc. My three points of debate are the reasons behind changes in the earth's surface temperature, the fluctuation in the density of the ozone layer, and sources and effects of greenhouse gases. Could you point me in the right direction with regard to research. My problem is finding documentation to support my argument. I borrowed six books from the library that supports man-made substances as the blame for global warming, but nothing on the opposing view. Thank you for your time and consideration and any information you can provid Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet From mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Mon Nov 16 11:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02418 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:29:12 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id LAA11650; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:01 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA08195 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:27:14 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14801; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14795; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA24709; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:01:14 -0500 Received: from default (slip166-72-248-59.ri.us.ibm.net [166.72.248.59]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA98462 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:01:11 GMT Message-Id: <00ce01be1115$a3213340$3bf848a6@default> From: "Robert Behrens" To: "QA" Subject: QA FDISK (DOS 6.22) From: Dim Ge Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: mjrb-qa@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: Dim Ge Subject: FDISK (DOS 6.22) Today , I encounter a problem , when i use Fdisk (Ver DOS6.22) Utility to fdisk a HD(Size: 2GB), the screen only display 503MB, Doesn't DOS6.22 support Large HD,but At this before , I have fdisk a 2GB HD in this version FDISK ,and found no problem, so i want to ask PC-newbie ,hope someone can provide a way to solve this problem, and i hope someone can provide a Web Site to download another better fdisk Utility! Have a nice day! Dim.GE ========================================================== Sponsored by MJ & RB Computing, Robert Behrens (The Prof) Save on Long Distance Phone Calls: http://LD.net/?mjrb/t.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet Internet Training & Opportunities: http://www.mjrb.org/t.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet ========================================================== From mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Mon Nov 16 11:31:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02488 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:29:31 +0530 Received: from mail-relay-blr.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id LAA11690; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:26 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by mail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA08210 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:27:38 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14900; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA14884; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA25350; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:02:34 -0500 Received: from default (slip166-72-248-59.ri.us.ibm.net [166.72.248.59]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07714 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:02:17 GMT Message-Id: <00d301be1115$ca6a44a0$3bf848a6@default> From: "Robert Behrens" To: "QA" Subject: Re: QA missing file Richard H. Cotterell Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:01:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: mjrb-qa-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: mjrb-qa@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: Richard H. Cotterell Subject: Re: QA missing file From: Mary Victor If it's IBM's ViaVoice dictation package your looking for, then go to these URL's: <http://www.newswire.ca/releases/August1997/19/c3335.htmlive/Memoryeds/deodeeet> or <http://www.zdnet.co.uk/pcmag/flooks97/197971118.htmlhtmlive/Memoryeds/deodeeet> which are 9.6K files. If your looking for the Gold package, go to: <http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1802/269287.html/Memoryeds/deodeeet> or if you want to search, use Infoseek using IBM and ViaVoice and setnote.cpl Luck. Richard H. 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Rajashekar" To: lis-forum@NCSI.IISC.ERNET.IN Subject: Infowatch - Oct'98 Dear LIS-Forum member, October 1998 issue of InfoWatch is now online, bringing you details of new Internet sites related to Science and Engineering. You can access the complete issue on the NCSI Web server at the URL : http://144.16.72.150/ncsi/iw.htmlents/quotes/02/269287.html/Memoryeds/deodeeet You will also find earlier issues of InfoWatch here. For your convenience, the table of contents is given below. If you wish to be on the mailing list of InfoWatch to receive the complete issue by e-mail, let us know. Also mention your format preference - html or text. Regards - T.B. 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Thulasi (thulasi@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 19:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02530 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:51:18 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA23492; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:44:49 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.7E4A6D31@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:33 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1812610 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:31 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.7D143447@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:31 +0100 Received: from dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se (dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se [130.244.187.116]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15623 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:19 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1150.41212660@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:00:00 +0100 Encoding: 26 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1150.41212660@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:03:28 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : earthworms in IBS (Mexico) To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Li Dear Dr. Medina: About IBS-General Forum, I'm also interested in your low-tech wastewater treatment plant. I need more detailed information on so called low-tech waste water treatment and on its capital construction for a plant that might be suitable for developing countries or an independent area of developing countries to adopt. As far as human pathogens are concerned, I have read an article. It says microorganisms were observed in both body and cocoons of earthworms. They came from the worm's environment. During passage of food through earthworm gut most of bacteria were killed, only fungal spores and some bacteria remained viable. After passing through the gut, the population of the slow growing bacteria declined. However, the fast growing ones reproduced rapidly in the gut. Although earthworm interact with microorganisms, the mechanisms remain to be studies and quantified in depth. Do you agree with me? Regards Li Kangmin From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 19:51:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02449 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:45:45 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA23199; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:40:15 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.7C9E7E19@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:30 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1812602 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:28 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.7B884E42@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:28 +0100 Received: from dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se (dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se [130.244.187.116]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15580 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:16 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1150.3F5BF6C0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:59:57 +0100 Encoding: 33 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1150.3F5BF6C0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:50 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : flushing nutrients away To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Li Dr. Martin Medina: Your paper of Scavenging and Integrated BioSystems: some Past and Present Examples is interesting. But the example in China is too simple. Human excrement had been reused and recycled for thousands in China. A worker scooping night soil or as you call a scavenger in Beijing his name Shi Chuanxiang was granted to an interview with the President Liu Shaoqi of the PRC in 1950s so as to express jobs without noble or inferior. That is a story on everybody's lips. What a pity! As modern cities and towns scramble the land, flushing toilet replace stools nowadays with human excrement as sewage flushing into creeks, streams, rivers, lakes and finally the seas. I don't mean we have to go back to the old days. But we must do something to avoid that kind of things and to utilize nutrients in eutrophicated water bodies. Now we're doing so for instance to control input from exogenous nutrient source and to harvest bluegreen algae from endogenous nutrient source and to dredge the sediment of rivers and lakes. So I am very interested in page 3 of your paper about the Aztecs' backyard garden and agricultural fields floating on the lakes. We now call it surface aquaponics. Could you kindly provide me detailed information on that. Then we can discuss further on this. Best regards Li Kangmin, Emeritus Prof. From owner-bioenergy@crest.org Mon Nov 16 20:23:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02741 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:12:47 +0530 Received: from solstice.crest.org by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id UAA26317; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:08:58 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA16275; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by solstice.crest.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:04:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15936 for bioenergy-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nam.ing.com (nam.ing.com [209.46.63.1]) by solstice.crest.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15931 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ilsr.org ([206.144.167.85]) by nam.ing.com (8.8.8/8.8.2) with ESMTP id HAA09383 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:17:21 -0600 Message-ID: <364FD0EE.236FEC1E@ilsr.org> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:14:57 +0000 From: John Bailey Reply-To: bailey@ilsr.org Organization: ILSR http://www.ilsr.org//ncsi/iw.htmlents/quotes/02/269287.html/Memoryeds/deodeeet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bioenergy@crest.org Subject: Re: would appreciate yourhelp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bioenergy@crest.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: WB- I am almost certain that you can find this info from some of the global warming skeptics. I have a whole page of them among Sustainable Minnesota's Climate Change Resources at http://www.me3.org/issues/climate/alternative.html9287.html/Memoryeds/deodeeet jb. WBrewer@aol.com wrote: > I must write an essay on global warming and take the view that the adverse > weather patterns are a result of a natural phenomenon and not from greenhouse > gases etc. > > My three points of debate are the reasons behind changes in the earth's > surface temperature, the fluctuation in the density of the ozone layer, and > sources and effects of greenhouse gases. > > Could you point me in the right direction with regard to research. My problem > is finding documentation to support my argument. I borrowed six books from > the library that supports man-made substances as the blame for global warming, > but nothing on the opposing view. > > Thank you for your time and consideration and any information you can provid > > Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: > http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet -- John Bailey, Research Associate Institute for Local Self-Reliance 1313 Fifth Street SE Minneapolis, MN 55414 Tel: 612-379-3815 Fax: 612-379-3920 ILSR's Web Site: http://www.ilsr.orgst.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet Sustainable MN: http://www.me3.orggst.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet Bioenergy List SPONSORS and ARCHIVES: http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/bioenergy-list-archive/Memoryeds/deodeeet From owner-et-w1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 20:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03006 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:43:56 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA22051; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:29:48 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.78CC7165@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:23 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1812575 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:22 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.7814B930@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:22 +0100 Received: from dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se (dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se [130.244.187.116]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15478 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:10 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1150.3B6E68E0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:59:50 +0100 Encoding: 24 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1150.3B6E68E0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:48:37 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-AJUYAH : ensiled carcass of dead animals as pig feed To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Tracey Takeuchi Dear Jacky and all: I am involved with a group that has mentioned that they are "composting" dead sheep. I suggested concern over the incomplete decomposition and potential for pathogens that could be spread as a result. Most use the composted material as broadcast fertilizer to their sheep pastures. The composting is incomplete because they have encountered tissue such as fat and skin. Could you direct me to sufficient information to present them that would uphold my concern? Or perhaps to information that could aide them in the complete composting of this material so as to reduce pathogens? Kind Regards, Tracey Takeuchi Agricultural Biologist California From owner-et-w1*cestvr**CES*-IISC*-ERNET*-IN@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Mon Nov 16 21:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by ces.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03093 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:58:22 +0530 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id TAA22631; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:36:17 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.16) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.7A77EE0E@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:26 +0100 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LISTSERV release 1.8d) with NJE id 1812593 for ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:25 +0200 Received: from mb07.swip.net (193.12.122.211) by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.79ABA5E7@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:05:25 +0100 Received: from dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se (dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se [130.244.187.116]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15528 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:13 +0100 (MET) Received: by dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1150.3D9FEEE0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:59:54 +0100 Encoding: 38 TEXT Approved-By: Jacky Foo Message-ID: <01BE1150.3D9FEEE0@dialup187-2-52.swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:52:00 +0100 Reply-To: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum From: Jacky Foo Subject: ICIBS-MEDINA : recycling feathers as animal feed To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE Status: RO X-Status: ----------forwarded From: Gordon Watkins Jacky, I use feathermeal as the primary nitrogen source on my 5 acres of organic blueberries as well as on some vegetable crops. I purchase it in bulk or bagged and it has the consistency of soybean meal. It carries an analysis of 85% protein, which equates to approximately 12% N when metabolized by soil organisms. Here in Arkansas, the headquarters of Tyson, we have many poultry growers as well as processing and rendering plants. I have been told by the processing plant that heads, feathers, and sometimes feet are steamed, ground and sifted to produce feathermeal. They did not mention chemical additives, although this could be proprietary information. I would be interested in knowing if you find additional information concerning additives. I've had feathermeal analyzed for heavy metal content, including copper, cadmium and arsenic, such as are typically found in poultry droppings and bedding, but found no detectable levels. Incidentally, other poultry offal and bones are usually processed separately into meat and bone meal. The primary market for all of these by-products here is animal feeds for poultry, swine, and pets. Gordon Watkins --- Jacky Foo wrote: > I checked the web for the method of processing (hydrolysis) of feathers >but did not get anything scientifically useful. > What I like to know is how is hydrolysis done, what chemical(s) are >used, at what concentration(s), how long is the treatment, etc. > How does the product look like, is it a paste ? > How is it incorporated into animal feeds ? > Any information from the audience would be welcomed.